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JerseyDevil
01-29-2008, 05:21 PM
Just as a warning - the Garden State Parkway is going down to 55 mph between exits 80 and 100. Let's just call this what it is - a hidden NJ tax! The cops will be waiting right there - people just cruising along and not expecting that this one section of NJ drops to 55 mph and BAMMM - TICKET!

BTW - just for your information - if you get more than 6 points on your license in a TWO year period, which a ticket in this speed trap will possibly cause - you not only have to worry about your insurance going up and the ticket fine, but you will also get sacked with a $150/per year insurance fee by the state for the next THREE years. Talk about a money windfall.

I love NJ - but I am beginning to really despise our government and politicians. All they want to do is keep taxing and sucking the money from us any way they can.

NJPRIDE
01-29-2008, 06:30 PM
I for one think dropping the limit is fine, it should be done on the whole length of the parkway and the turnpike! Too much tailgating, speeding, changing lanes without signaling, and overall stupidity on those roads. People like CORZINE traveling these roads make them as dangerous as can be. As far as a hidden tax I can say I don't agree with you.

JerseyDevil
01-29-2008, 06:43 PM
I for one think dropping the limit is fine, it should be done on the whole length of the parkway and the turnpike! Too much tailgating, speeding, changing lanes without signaling, and overall stupidity on those roads. People like CORZINE traveling these roads make them as dangerous as can be. As far as a hidden tax I can say I don't agree with you.
All the stuff you described is called reckless driving - which you can get a ticket for. They are also all things you can still be guilty of at 55 mph and cause a serious accident. It isn't going 65 or even 85 that is dangerous - it is how you are driving. If you are tailgating or weaving in and out, not using your blinker light - all those things are what makes it dangerous.

Although you say it isn't a hidden tax - you also say - why not do it on ALL of the Parkway or the Turnpike. It's precisely because it is a hidden tax that they aren't doing that. If everyone knows that the entire length is 55 mph - you can't catch people unexpectedly when for no apparent reason the speed drops from 65 to 55. I don't buy for a minute that that one section of road has more accidents than the hairbrained area of the Driscoll Bridge.

NJPRIDE
01-29-2008, 09:21 PM
Your kidding about driving 85 not being dangerous right?:lmao: Corzine was doing 91 mph and look what happened to him. Speeding is dangerous! People lose control of their cars because of it everyday, cause accidents, and kill themselves or somebody else. As far as the hidden tax , it is up to us, the drivers to know the speed limits and obey them then there will be no ticket. It is not a hidden tax! If this is then there is one hell of a lot of hidden taxes on Route 206 every morning at 5am when I travel it to go to work. Try traveling through Chester and see how many times the speed limit changes in the span of one mile. Cops are seen everyday at this time along this road.

JerseyDevil
01-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Your kidding about driving 85 not being dangerous right?:lmao: Corzine was doing 91 mph and look what happened to him. Speeding is dangerous! People lose control of their cars because of it everyday, cause accidents, and kill themselves or somebody else.

Speed should be determined by the conditions of the road at any particular time. This is why several western states have 75mph as their speed limit and some don't even have speed limits on their highway. However, even on the highways that have no speed limit - you will get a ticket if you are observed driving recklessly. I have driven across country and back again, to Gulf Shore Alabama and to Canada numerous times. It isn't the speeder I have observed as being the key problem, but the person weaving in and out, the slow poke that you come onto where they are going BELOW the speed limit, or the person changing lanes without using their blinker light.

As for Corzine, supposedly his driver was also using his cell phone or receiving text messages seconds before the accident. Again - not solely caused by speed.


As far as the hidden tax , it is up to us, the drivers to know the speed limits and obey them then there will be no ticket. It is not a hidden tax! If this is then there is one hell of a lot of hidden taxes on Route 206 every morning at 5am when I travel it to go to work. Try traveling through Chester and see how many times the speed limit changes in the span of one mile. Cops are seen everyday at this time along this road.
When a speed limit changes for no apparent reason and they make sure that that spot is lined with cops - it's called a speed trap. The south is full of them - particularly Virginia. Princeton has parking tickets as the hidden tax, as do many other communities, the states often use speed limits on the highways as theirs.

Hey - Corzine isn't getting much support for his raising tolls - maybe he decided that he would replace tolls with tickets.

Jersey Warren
01-30-2008, 05:56 PM
I only get back to New Jersey once in awhile, but I have noticed big differences over the years.

There was a time when drivers in both New Jersey and Connecticut observed both states' laws about keeping to the right and passing ONLY on the left. Right between them, New York (like most states except NJ, CT, and NH) allows passing on the right and the differences in the traffic flow is astonishing. As soon as you allow passing on the right you get much more weaving in and out, which is dangerous.

Years back, drivers in New Jersey would move left, pass, signal, then move back right. No more. I think the difference is because of all the New Yorkers moving over the river and bringing their bad driving habits with them. That and the New Yorkers using the Parkway to get to the Atlantic City casinos.

I wish someone would conduct a study of how passing on the left only affects the accident rate. I'm sure it minimizes it, since the traffic flow is much more orderly.

MITHRANDIR
02-01-2008, 08:49 AM
Ironically I thought the signs I saw on the GSP (last night) were talking about a new ticket blitz for March 1. I thought the signs were saying that the speed limit will now be 55mph instead of 100mph to 80mph.

Jersey Warren -- I agree with you about the lack of enforcing "Keep Left Pass Right" is a big problem. If people followed this simple rule, I think there would be less stress and aggravation for all.

I disagree with you about the speed limit. The speed limit should be set as determined by an engineering study. IIRC, it should be set at the 85th percentile (the speed at which 85% percent of the traffic travels for a given road). Speed is not necessarily the problem. The variation of speed between the traveling vehicles is more of a problem.

If you take the argument about lower speed is safer, why not lower the speed limit to 15mph or less. According to the position we should be safer since we are driving at a slower rate of speed. Personally, I would rather drive in a safe manner at a speed that is appropriate for the road conditions and car that I am driving.
(For most interstate type roads, this means about 70-80mph unless I am trying to get better MPG. For better MPG I might drive about 60 mph.)

I will concede that when an accident occurs, the higher the speed the more likely it is that you will be involved in a worse accident.

If the State was truly concerned about safety, the would put more visable police presence traveling on the roads instead on hiding along side of the road waiting for speeders.

I always found it amusing when police act as pace cars and everyone slows to the PSL. ;) There is nothing for the state in this scenario.



http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080126/NEWS/801260354/1001/NEWS#gslPageReturn
GSP stretch dropping to 55 mph
Study cites crash data between Neptune, Toms River

By Larry Higgs STAFF WRITER January 26, 2008

The speed limit on the Garden State Parkway between Neptune and Toms River will be reduced to 55 mph starting March 1, and safety improvements to that section of highway will follow.

The speed reduction will be accompanied by $1.2 million worth of improvements, such as installing guard rails and bringing road shoulders up to proper grade, after a review of five years' worth of accident data for the entire highway.

The program was announced Friday by the New Jersey Turnpike Authority, the State Police and the state Division of Highway Traffic Safety.

"The section of the Parkway from milepost 80 to 100 had very severe crashes and fatalities," said Pamela S. Fischer, director of the Division of Highway Traffic Safety. "It is not the area with the most number of crashes, but more severe crashes happen on this section."

Currently, that section of the Parkway has a 65 mph speed limit.

Nearly half of the Top 30 serious crash locations on the Parkway are in the Monmouth-Ocean corridor, which shows a clear need for reducing the speed limit, Fischer said.

In July, the Turnpike Authority launched a study of Garden State Parkway accidents at locations lacking guardrails to keep vehicles from veering off shoulders or into center medians.

The study was requested by Transportation Commissioner Kris Kolluri and Turnpike Commissioner Michael DuPont of Red Bank.

The request came a day after an Asbury Park Press editorial called for installation of more guardrails on the Parkway in Monmouth and Ocean counties, starting with sections of the toll road with the highest number of fatalities. The editorial said there had been 101 fatalities on the Parkway in Monmouth and Ocean counties between December 2002 and July 2007.

"It emanated from the DuPont study. The State Police had concerns about this area," said Joe Orlando, Turnpike Authority spokesman. "It's an issue that was brought to our attention from a variety of sources, including the Press, and they did that study."

State Police plan to increase enforcement of the speed limit between mileposts 80 and 100. That includes helicopter enforcement.

"Our troopers in the field have pointed out this stretch of roadway in the past, and I'm happy to see it come to the point where everyone has gotten together to address these safety needs," Col. Joseph "Rick" Fuentes, State Police superintendent, said in a prepared statement. "With an increased State Police presence and the improvements being made by the Turnpike Authority, I believe we can reverse what has been a tragic trend over the past few years."

Specific statistics for that section weren't available Friday, but the Press editorial identified two areas as the most deadly sections of the Parkway: a 2-mile stretch in Wall between mile markers 93.1 and 95.1, where 16 people died over that 4 1/2-year period, and a 5-mile section in Toms River between mile markers 82 and 87, where there have been 14 fatal crashes in that time span.

Turnpike Authority officials plan to address the identified problem areas with interim engineering solutions this spring, including installing additional guardrails where necessary, repairs to pavement drop-offs and removing obstacles likely to be hit by a vehicle.

Long-term improvements include reconstructing road shoulders, expected to be designed this year with construction to start in 2009, Turnpike Authority officials said.

The plan was backed by William Margaretta, president of the New Jersey State Safety Council, because it is based on specific data.

"The (State Police) fatal accident unit is data-driven; they know the fatals are occurring and have a sense of the contributing factors," Margaretta said. "The fact that they can reduce speed and mitigate a fixed object collision . . . is all good."

While safety features in cars continue to improve, Margaretta said that corresponding road improvements haven't kept up. Also a factor is the impact on a human body and its internal organs in a crash, which multiply as speed increases, he said.

"The (human) body wasn't designed for it," Margaretta said of the crash impact. "They've done a great deal with cars, but the roads haven't kept up. We have to bring down the speed."

NJPRIDE
02-01-2008, 04:30 PM
It is not a speed trap if the State police are letting people know (and I have heard a lot about this on the radio) about the speed limit being decreased and they will be enforcing it. I have heard them say all they want is for people to slow down. A trap is the same thing as an ambush, and you dont let your enemy know that you will be trapping or ambushing them, do you? As they have said this is a dangerous stretch of the road and they believe the slower speed limit will save lives. It cant be proven by anyone that they have a secret agenda to get more money from us. Again if corzine's driver was obeying the speed limit the accident would not have been nearly as bad no matter what he may have been doing at the time of the accident or before the accident. 2 years ago my friend lost his son in a car accident. The only reason given for the accident was speeding. Speeding kills and IS dangerous. If speeding wasn't dangerous why, as we get older, do we slow down? Answer - because it is safer! It is not a hidden tax! Again, if we obey the rules of the road, no ticket. Its hard to avoid taxes but this can be avoided by not speeding therefore its not a tax!

davegering
02-02-2008, 06:01 AM
i dont hink its the speed that is causing the accidents it is in the way the rode splits at the tolls for easy pass that is confusing the people.

Marianita
02-08-2008, 04:06 PM
Hi Dave. I agree with you but it would not hurt to lower the speed limit just the same. I had read several yrs ago that 66 more police officers were being added to catch people who speed on the Garden State Parkway. That means speed is an issue.
As for the toll booths people who are moving at a high rate of speed need to slow down in time so as not to have an accident. It does cause confusion. Marianita

MITHRANDIR
02-12-2008, 01:32 AM
Hi Dave. I agree with you but it would not hurt to lower the speed limit just the same. I had read several yrs ago that 66 more police officers were being added to catch people who speed on the Garden State Parkway. That means speed is an issue.
As for the toll booths people who are moving at a high rate of speed need to slow down in time so as not to have an accident. It does cause confusion. Marianita

Easy solution. Do away with tolls and no mo problems about people driving too fast near toll booths. I think there needs to be a more efficient method of collecting money to fund maintenance for the road than toll booths. (A fuel tax is one method although I think there could be other methods of paying for our roads and transportation system.

While I am not in favor of lowering PSL from 65 to 55, I think more police presence will be needed so people will know that the limit will be enforced.

If limit is not enforced then the roads will be less safe from the greater variation of speed by different vehicles. (some obeying 55 PSL and others driving at higher speeds such as 70mph or higher)

Jersey Warren
02-12-2008, 09:11 AM
The entire Parkway, when it was built, had a 60 mph speed limit north of Toms River and 65 mph south of there. Rather than lower the speed limit, it would be better to enforce the present limit. In recent years, I find that if I drive 60-65, people (mostly in BMWs!) fly by me doing about 80!

Marianita
02-12-2008, 12:25 PM
Hi Mithrander. I agree. If people are stopped for exceeding the speed limit, which requires more officers on duty then that is the best way of controlling the spped. I have seen people flying past us on the Parkway and we were doing the speed limit.
I am not sure if there are signs ahead saying that the tolls booths are coming up but it wouldn't hurt to have those. People need to be warned to slow down. It is dangerous to have cars stopping suddenly because they were not paying attention. Marianita

Jersey Warren
02-12-2008, 12:52 PM
Hi Mithrander. I agree. If people are stopped for exceeding the speed limit, which requires more officers on duty then that is the best way of controlling the spped. I have seen people flying past us on the Parkway and we were doing the speed limit.
I am not sure if there are signs ahead saying that the tolls booths are coming up but it wouldn't hurt to have those. People need to be warned to slow down. It is dangerous to have cars stopping suddenly because they were not paying attention. Marianita

Hi Marianita,

About the toll plazas, there are signs warning you that they are coming up at least a mile in advance. This is fine for the plazas on the southern part of the Parkway, where there are only a few toll booths. However, in the northern section, some plazas have 10 or more booths in either direction. As people approach the booths, they jockey for position to get into the shortest line, avoid booths that are closed, and now (to make things even more complicated) move either into the EZ Pass lanes or avoid the EZ Pass lanes. All this jockeying for position resembles the start of the Indy 500!

I don't know the answer. In some states, those using the Toll Tags (like EZ Pass) are directed completely off the main road into special lanes that are very obviously just for Toll Tags. The Connecticut Turnpike (I-95) eventually just eliminated the toll booths altogether because they slowed traffic and were dangerous. Maybe a toll ticket system at exits like the Turnpike would be better.

Marianita
02-12-2008, 01:29 PM
Hi Mithrander, I feel that NJ should follow the lead of other states. It would eliminate the congestion caused by everyone having to slow down for the tolls. I am sure that most people do have E Z pass anyway. It sounds like the logical thing to do. The others who do not have it may just be visiting for a day, maybe a trip to AC or something. lol. Diverting some of the traffic should do a great deal of good.
By the way what did you think of the ''flying pigs?'' Marianita:lmao:

MITHRANDIR
02-13-2008, 10:25 PM
Hi Mithrandir, I feel that NJ should follow the lead of other states. It would eliminate the congestion caused by everyone having to slow down for the tolls. I am sure that most people do have E Z pass anyway. It sounds like the logical thing to do. The others who do not have it may just be visiting for a day, maybe a trip to AC or something. lol. Diverting some of the traffic should do a great deal of good.
By the way what did you think of the ''flying pigs?'' Marianita:lmao:

It (the ''flying pigs?'') made me think of a Pink Floyd concert. :)

I am indifferent to EZPass, although I would never use it due to possible misuse by authorities. The best EZPass is no tolls.

Marianita
02-14-2008, 12:16 AM
Hi Mithrander, Well, I quite agree but I don't think the tolls are going anywhere. They generate too much revenue. To my way of thinking they are expensive enough esp for those who have to use them to get to work every day. Why raise money that way?
Corzine can just think of some other way to earn money. Marianita

Jersey Warren
04-09-2009, 09:16 AM
I'm old enough to remember traveling on the turnpike with my parents and grandparents before there was a Garden State Parkway. From the beginning, the Turnpike used a system where you received a toll ticket upon entering the pike, then stopped at another booth, after you exited, to pay your toll. With this system, traffic on the main highway was never backed up by having to pay tolls.

Since this worked reasonably well, I don't know why they didn't use the same system on the Parkway.

Marianita
04-10-2009, 06:13 PM
Hi Jersey Warren. I cannot understand either why they do not do things like they did on the turnpike. It is ridiculous having traffic backed up for miles. There is a lot of traffic on the Parkway and I remember just sitting there waiting:eek: in the toll lines. lol. Take care. Mariana

NJBarb
04-22-2009, 10:33 PM
Another reason i am for Lonegan - what we dont need is one more 'law and order' person who thinks its just find to use the cops to raise revenue in NJ - the parkway, the turnpike, its all the same. Another traffic issue is that since the tolls got hiked roads like Rt 9, Rt 73, 47, the Black Horse Pike are a lot more traffic heavy. Get rid of the tolls, the booths and the salaries and pensions paid to the toll workers.

Marianita
04-23-2009, 11:30 AM
Hi NJ Barb. Can you imagine people trying to get to work in the mornings and it takes forever what with those toll booths and all? I was not aware that the tolls were raised and I imagine Gov Corzine had much to do that as all he knows how to do is raise taxes. lol. It may be time for another ''when pigs fly'' at the courthouse.:lmao: Marianita

Shore Rat
04-22-2010, 05:32 PM
Hey there JerseyDevil,

I completely agree that the lowering of the speed limit is to trap people forgetting about the drop whilst they go along their merry way. I have seen many people fall prey to this trap! I live on the shore and drive the parkway practically and I do have to say that I disagree with Marianita with the comment

"The others who do not have it may just be visiting for a day, maybe a trip to AC or something."

As I said I live in Jersey and I loathe E-Z Pass, I refuse to use it and never will. The potential for abuse and misuse is astronomical. I do agree that the toll plazas are amazingly congested and dangerous. One of the most frustrating things I have seen is putting and E-Z Pass lane in the middle of the plaza. There is no call for this. All the lanes are equipped with passive E-Z Pass readers so even if you do not have exact change you can still be charged. Also there are the HUGE high speed E-Z Pass lanes, I mean if you can't aim your car through one of those gate, you shouldn't be driving. Also the lanes of the plaza changing literally over night gets a bit old after a while. And why does E-Z Pass get all the right lanes to themselves. Have you ever tried to get onto the express side of the parkway after using exact change? Its like a damn kamikaze run!! If you are not killed by the other drivers you are pretty much pushed into the median because people will not let you in!! Anywho I'm just venting here. I agree its the Bennies making the roads dangerous, not the speed its self. You can go as fast as needed, as long as you know how to drive at that speed, its the people who weave and do really idiotic things that make the road dangerous. I mean I've driven the Autobahn, in some places there is a speed limit because of the congestion and human presence, but in the places where there is no marked speed limit people mostly go around 80-85 mph and cause less accidents. In my two weeks in Germany I saw less accidents on the Autobahn than on the parkway in one day. So yes venting again sorry. But I do deeply agree, make the tolls disappear and 85% of the problem will disappear!!

Have a great day guys/gals!!

~Shore Rat