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JerseyDevil
01-20-2008, 04:30 PM
I hope the Giants lose tonight. I didn't even want them in the playoffs. Now they are one step from the Super Bowl. I will never support the Giants until they take that ridiculous NY off their uniforms and out of their name and actually acknowledge their home. NY has nothing to do with the Giants.


LOSE LOSE LOSE - Giants!!!!


Let's Go Green Bay!!!

JerseyDevil
01-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Well the Giants won - now we have to listen to NY getting all the attention while NJ is just ignored. Thanks Dick Codey for not making them put NJ on their uniforms!

Nurvingiel
01-21-2008, 09:19 PM
While I agree completely that the <strike>New York</strike> New Jersey Giants should have NJ on their jerseys, I'm going to have to cheer for the Giants anyway this time. Why? Because even though they pretend to be from somewhere they're not, at least they aren't a bunch of rotten, stinking cheaters like the Patriots.

My hope in the last game was that the Greenbay Packers (actually from Greenbay and not cheaters) would beat the Giants and then proceed to beat the snot out of the Patriots at the Superbowl. (My favourite teams are the Greenbay Packers and the Dallas Cowboys.)

The New England Patriots were caught filming other teams' practices (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/new_england_patriots_cheating_scandal/) to memorize their plays and yet their "perfect" 18-0 record is still a big deal. This is a lot worse than wearing the wrong jersey to games. The Giants could play naked and I wouldn't care, just as long as they beat the crap out of the stupid Patriots.

JerseyDevil
01-21-2008, 09:48 PM
I love your avatar. :) I was hoping that Green Bay or anyone was going to be in the Super Bowl. Then I would root against the Patriots - because they cheated. Buyt I have to cheer against the turn coat Giants.

BTW - did you make the avatar or did you find it somewhere?

Nurvingiel
01-21-2008, 09:52 PM
I made it. :D You can use it too if you want.

Come on, cheating at football is worse than wearing the wrong jersey. At least the Giants play the game right.

Jersey Warren
01-25-2008, 01:45 PM
I fully understand and sympathize with JD's dissatisfaction with the Giants being known as the New York Giants when they should be the New Jersey Giants. However, I became a Giants fan when they moved from Yankee Stadium to Giants stadium because, at that time, they were the only professional sports team playing in New Jersey. There were no Nets or Devils back then.

My old high school's teams, Don Bosco in Ramsey, have played in Giants Stadium several times when they made the state championships.

Actually, a team carrying the name of the largest nearby city instead of the place where they actually play is not unique to the Giants. Lambeau Field is not in Green Bay but in nearby Ashwaubenon, Wisconsin. And the Cowboys play not in Dallas but in Irving. The New York in the Giants name refers not to the state of New York but the city, so the choice is between New York and East Rutherford..

I was definitely thrilled that the Giants beat the Packers because I lived in Northeast Wisconsin, about 20 miles from Green Bay, for 7 years. The fans there are totally obnoxious! They think if you live there, you MUST be a Packers fan. I'm used to one guy on a block being a Giants fan, the next guy being a Jets fan, the next guy being and Eagles fan, and the next guy being a Cowboys fan. I don't like forced conformity! I have to go back to Wisconsin on business soon and I never could have held my head up if the Packers had beaten the Giants.

New England is another story. I lived there for 17 years and no one every complained because I had a Giants coffee mug. In "the old days," before the AFC, or the earlier AFL, there were no football teams any further northeast from the Giants so the old-time New Englanders were Giants fans. So, unlike the Yankees (which they hate with a passion), New Englanders were tolerant of the Giants. And because they didn't hassle me, my opinion of Patriots fans is higher than it is for Cowboys or Packers fans. I tend to like or not like a team more because I like (or dislike) the team's fans more than whether I like or dislike the team itself. What's to like about a team, anyway? It's a corporation. Most of the players don't come from where the team plays and the players are mostly grossly overpaid. Are they nuclear physicists or heart-transplant surgeons that they should get two million dollars a year?

I like the Giants not because they have NY on their helmets, but despite it. If another NFL team ever plays in New Jersey and calls itself the New Jersey Marrauders (or whatever), I'll support them and tell the Giants, forgeddaboudit! :D

P.S. For some reason, I never cared for the Jets. I guess that's because after the Giants moved to New Jersey the Jets still played at Shea Stadium for several years, and I considered the Giants to be the New Jersey team and the Jets to be the New york team. (yes, even despite their names.) Also, I didn't care much for "Broadway Joe" Namath. He was the first quarterback to become what Tony Romo and Tom Brady are today, movie-star wannabes! Give me Y.A. Tittle and Phil Simms, or even Bart Starr and Roger Staubach!

JerseyDevil
01-25-2008, 02:51 PM
There are several problems with the Giants and Jets and comparing them to other teams. Yes, many other teams do not play in the exact city that they call home but within a suburb of that city. However, there is no other team that goes across state lines, other than with teams who call themselves Washington DC - which is not a state to begin with.

In addition, NY is not the closest city to the Giants - OUR cities - Newark and Jersey City, which both have double the population of Green Bay, are the closest cities to East Rutherford.

As another point, many of OUR proud teams - take the name of NJ and promote and support the state - such as the New JERSEY Devils and New JERSEY Nets (which had also moved from NY).

When the Giants and Jets moved to NJ over 30 years ago, it was agreed that they would remove NY off their uniforms and be known as just the Giants and Jets - which they were. The Giants were NOT given a celebration from NY for either of their Super Bowl victories. New Jersey did at the Meadowlands. Three years ago, the Jets decided they would put NY back on their uniforms and the Giants followed only a couple of months later when there was no outcry from our politicians or the public.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are generated for NY by just he Giants and Jets having their name on the uniforms. Think of how much money is paid by corporations to have their name on just a stadium. People don't realize that promotion of a state or city is no different. We are still selling a product. This is something that NY understands - whereas NJ doesn't. We are selling a product. We are trying to get visitors to spend their money at our tourist attraction, businesses to move here and provide jobs. This all contributes to tax revenue which results in reducing the burden for the New Jersey tax payer. The Gaints and Jets are however advertising New York.

It is not just with the Giants and Jets though - American Idol claimed their auditions were taking place in NY - when they were occurring at the Meadowlands. Live Earth New York - was taking place again in New Jersey at the Meadowlands. When they do "promotional" spots for the teams and their "hometown" - where is New Jersey? Where are our cities and attracitons highlighted??? ^They aren't - they show Times Square, Broadway, they don't show the Meadowlands Wild Refuge, or the Newark Museum (one of the best in the country if it wasn't overshadowed by New York's museums) or what about Liberty Science Center - one of the largest in the country with the largest Domed Imax Theater in the North America? No - they don't show any of that - the only thing the news shows are the shootings in Newark - whcih of course lead to ignorant comments from outsiders such as the one spewed off by the ESPN sports announcer.

Having NY versus NJ - is more than what they wear on their uniforms - it has to to do with pride for where they call home and who gets the recognition for having TWO NFL teams. NY CITY - has NO NFL team - while EAST RUTHERFORD has TWO.

Jersey Warren
01-29-2008, 02:38 PM
While I agree completely that the <strike>New York</strike> New Jersey Giants should have NJ on their jerseys, I'm going to have to cheer for the Giants anyway this time. Why? Because even though they pretend to be from somewhere they're not, at least they aren't a bunch of rotten, stinking cheaters like the Patriots.

My hope in the last game was that the Greenbay Packers (actually from Greenbay and not cheaters) would beat the Giants and then proceed to beat the snot out of the Patriots at the Superbowl. (My favourite teams are the Greenbay Packers and the Dallas Cowboys.)

The New England Patriots were caught filming other teams' practices (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/new_england_patriots_cheating_scandal/) to memorize their plays and yet their "perfect" 18-0 record is still a big deal. This is a lot worse than wearing the wrong jersey to games. The Giants could play naked and I wouldn't care, just as long as they beat the crap out of the stupid Patriots.

:D Please don't take this the wrong way because the irony of what you wrote (My favourite teams are the Greenbay Packers and the Dallas Cowboys) just struck me as funny. Here's why: I lived for five years in the Dallas area among Cowboys fans and 7 years not very far from Green Bay among Packers fans. Immersed among those intense fans, those two teams became my two LEAST favorite teams in professional sports. It's not the teams, themselves, mind you, but their fans. They INSIST that if you live in their area you must be for their teams. ("No I am NOT!" I would insist, which did not enhance my popularity, but it was always more important to me to be myself than to be popular.)

I fully understand JD's dissatisfaction with the Giants and Jets for not affirming their New Jersey home. I think fans in New Jersey should boycott their games, use legislation to make them acknowledge New Jersey, whatever it takes. But Cowboys fans are not my kind of people, Packers fans are not my kind of people, even Jets fans are not my kind of people because they lingered at Shea Stadium after the Giants moved to New Jersey so I still consider them to be a New York team. But Giants fans are my kind of people so I stand in solidarity with them, with their hopes, and dreams. Also, the late Wellington Mara was very supportive of the pro-LIfe movement (which I support) and he spoke at the annual Right to Life March in Washington, D.C. several years and I appreciated that. Too bad he was so stubborn about not renaming his team. He's probably in purgatory for that! :)

I cannot root for a team whose fans say: "Hi, ya'll, are you fixin' to go see the Cowboys play?" And I cannot root for a team whose fans practically browbeat you into supporting, "Gr-e-en Bay-a-y, donchaknow" and who wear cheesehead hats. But I do feel close to fans who go to the diner for a Taylor ham sandwich and a cup of CAWfee before the game! :D

To me, it's all about the fans, not some corporation paying big bruisers too much money for running around with a ball.

Anyway, I NEVER call the Giants the New York Giants, I always call them the New JERSEY Giants, regardless of what they call themselves.

Jersey Warren
01-30-2008, 01:19 PM
I got up on my soapbox about the Cowboys and Packers and why I did not like their fans. The Patriots are another thing, entirely. During my 17 years in Massachusetts, I drank my coffee at work from a Giants mug a good part of the time. It did not say NY Giants on it, just Giants. And I think I eventually Scotch-taped a line that said New Jersey onto it, above Giants.

The Pats' fans never hassled me, though. Remember that the AFC (and it's predecessor, the short-lived AFL) only came into being in the 1960s. Before that, there was not one NFL team any further Northeast from the old Giants who played at Yankee Stadium. So most New England football fans, prior to the Pats and Jets, were Giants fans. Even as late at the 1980s, there were still some old-time Giants fans in New England, so the Pats fans were tolerant of them.

So while I'm still pulling for the Giants, it won't break me up if they lose to the Pats, because the Pats fans are good people. And the Pats are such a strong team, it's no disgrace to lose to them. If the Giants had lost to the Packers, however, I would have never heard the end of it on my upcoming trip to Appleton, only half an hour from Green Bay.

I'm very sensitive to how people use the English language when I decide what I think of them. To me, all New Englanders sound like college professors whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower; Texans sound like they are trying out for a part on the Beverly Hillbillies (Jethro is fixin' to go in the SEA-ment pond!); and Wisconsinites remind me of Prairie Home Companion, nice enough (except for insisting you root for the Packers) but also giving you the impression that they ought to "get out more" and see some of the country beyond Wisconsin.

JerseyDevil
01-31-2008, 05:37 PM
Well New York announced where and when they will be having the parade for OUR team. February 5th from Battery Park to Worth St. MY cousin is pissed because he won't be able to go - since it's on a weekday. I told him - they made it convenient for New Yorkers - they don't care about the New Jersey fans or New Jersey. It's all about NY. He asked me if that was really so - and I asked him -= how much do they show of New Jersey when they go to commercial break, how much to they acknowledge they are a New JERSEY team??? His answer was - well they show the Statue of Liberty. I told him that doesn't count since most people think it's in New York. He's pissed because he thought they would have it on the weekend. Rather naive to think that the team actually cares about the New Jersey fans. They care about us in only ticket and merchandise sales. They also like that they don't have to play in a baseball stadium - but as far as being proud of where they play - they give New Jersey the big fat finger. I therefore feel the same about them

Jersey Warren
02-01-2008, 02:06 PM
Well New York announced where and when they will be having the parade for OUR team. February 5th from Battery Park to Worth St. MY cousin is pissed because he won't be able to go - since it's on a weekday. I told him - they made it convenient for New Yorkers - they don't care about the New Jersey fans or New Jersey. It's all about NY. He asked me if that was really so - and I asked him -= how much do they show of New Jersey when they go to commercial break, how much to they acknowledge they are a New JERSEY team??? His answer was - well they show the Statue of Liberty. I told him that doesn't count since most people think it's in New York. He's pissed because he thought they would have it on the weekend. Rather naive to think that the team actually cares about the New Jersey fans. They care about us in only ticket and merchandise sales. They also like that they don't have to play in a baseball stadium - but as far as being proud of where they play - they give New Jersey the big fat finger. I therefore feel the same about them

I just posted the following message on the message forum of the Giants website:

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It's bad enough that Giants fans have to put up with the indignity of having NY plastered on the helmets of the team that plays in New Jersey. At least the team could recognize it's true home state by having its victory parade in the Garden State. I have a suggestion: John F. Kennedy Boulevard in Hudson County, with the main reviewers' stand in Journal Square. Journal Square has a PATH station with easy connections to Lower Manhattan for fans to come over from New York.

JerseyDevil
02-01-2008, 02:40 PM
If more New Jerseyans would stand up - stop buying their shirts or at the very least - cross out the "Y" and replace it with a "J" then maybe they might take notice. All you hear on the news right now, whether it is Fox, CNN, ABC or others - is NY this, NY that - they aren't a New York team!!!! New York has absolutely ZERO to do with them. It is New Jersey State Troopers who are there to protect the fans, it is our flag being flown during the national anthem. We get shoved to the sidelines. Thanks Codey - you really brought a sense of pride to NJ. :roll:

beatman10
02-02-2008, 01:22 AM
If more New Jerseyans would stand up - stop buying their shirts or at the very least - cross out the "Y" and replace it with a "J" then maybe they might take notice. All you hear on the news right now, whether it is Fox, CNN, ABC or others - is NY this, NY that - they aren't a New York team!!!! New York has absolutely ZERO to do with them. It is New Jersey State Troopers who are there to protect the fans, it is our flag being flown during the national anthem. We get shoved to the sidelines. Thanks Codey - you really brought a sense of pride to NJ. :roll:
football stadium. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out! Yeah, the teams are financing the stadium itself but we (NJ taxpayers) will pay for all the road and infrastructure improvements whose cost estimates start at 350 million. I thought New Jersey was broke. And where are all those officials who were so vocal against the Newark Arena? How come they're so quiet when it comes to giving our money to NY wannabe teams? Let New York build them a stadium!! I want to see the Patriots win on Sunday, and I used to be a Giants fan until year 2000, when they slapped "NY" on their uniforms. But really, I would like to see a team go undefeated. It hasn't been done since 1972. If the Giants win, not only will it be more NY arrogance, but also a victory for mediocre, watered down football, which is really what we've gotten for the past 13 years of "parity" from the NFL.

NJPRIDE
02-03-2008, 11:04 AM
New York has absolutely ZERO to do with them.

This isn't true the Giants still hold preseason practice in albany, n.y. and it is possible , but I am not sure, their headquarters may be in n.y.c.. And there should be no parade in Jersey if they win, afterall we did not have one for the Devils when they won 3 Stanley Cups and they have no problem letting the world know where they are from! I dont want any New Jersey taxpayers to have to pay for a parade for a n.y. team!

JerseyDevil
02-03-2008, 11:20 AM
This isnt true the Giants still hold preseason practice in albany, n.y. and it is possible , but I am not sure their headquarters may be in n.y.c..
They may practice in Albany for the short time during the summer, but that does not make them a NY team. And as for their headquarters - they are in East Rutherford NJ. That is where their corporate offices are - at the Meadowlands.

This is their corporate address -

New York Football Giants
Giants Stadium
East Rutherford, NJ 07073
(201) 935-8111

As found on BigBook.com (http://yellowpages.bigbook.com/listings.jsp?SRC=bb&CS=L&MCBP=true&C=new+york+giants&L=East+Rutherford+NJ&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=Find+It) -

#1
New York Football Giants Inc - Executive OFCS
East Rutherford, NJ 07073
(201) 935-8111

#2
New York Football Giants Inc
Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 07073
(201) 935-8222

#3
New York Football Giants Inc - Executive Offices
Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 07073
(201) 935-8112

BTW - I also looked up New York Giants - New York NY and no listing comes up for them in NY.

As I said, the Giants have ZERO to do with NY.

I wrote the following e-mail to ABC channel 7 news concernign their comment whent hey said if the the Giants win the Super Bowl, the trophy is coming to NY. (and they didn't merely mean for the parade)



Your reporters do realize that if the Giants win the Super Bowl that NY the trophy doesn't come to New York right??? The Giants aren't a New YORK team., they are a New Jersey team and the trophy will come to East Rutherford New JERSEY. It would be nice if WE got the recognition we deserve for OUR team.. If they win, which I hope they don't since they turned their back on New Jersey, this will be the first time that NY hosts a Super Bowl parade for them. All their previous wins New JERSEY held their celebration, because they were properly acknowledge as a New JERSEY team and not New York. In the past, New York refused to give them a parade.
Merely having NY on their logo, does not make them a New York team. I will never support this team, or any team which plays in NJ and calls themselves NY.

I'll share with you one of MY Giants photos - DropNY.com

http://www.dropny.com/images/store/sweatshirt_back.jpg

- Robert

JerseyDevil
02-03-2008, 11:24 AM
And there should be no parade in Jersey if they win, afterall we did not have one for the Devils when they won 3 Stanley Cups and they have no problem letting the world know where they are from! I dont want any New Jersey taxpayers to have to pay for a parade for a n.y. team!
Actually we had a celebration at the Meadowlands for the Devils - just like New Jersey gave to the Giants for their previous TWO Super Bowl wins. If the Giants win - this will be the first time they are celebrated OUTSIDE of NJ. New York refused to give them a parade the previous times saying they were not New York teams. Their celebration was held at the Meadowlands - where it SHOULD be held!

Also they are NOT a NY team - they are a New JERSEY team. We are spending $500 million on various improvements to the Meadowlands for their new stadium. Codey gave them the naming rights to the ENTIRE Meadowlands Sports complex, as well as their stadium. He also gave them ALL profits from any tickets sales for non-Giant events - which in the current stadium New Jersey gets. Codey gave away everything, and the Giants slapped us in the face.

JerseyDevil
02-03-2008, 09:03 PM
Well I guess the Giants won. It's great having a Super Bowl team when their home state gets no acknowledgement.

Oh well - it's just a game.

NJPRIDE
02-03-2008, 09:54 PM
Actually we had a celebration at the Meadowlands for the Devils

This discussion started about parades not celebrations. As a Devil fan I have been to all 3 Stanley Cup celebrations and was lucky enough to go to the first Giants celebration, I still have the ticket stub from it. As I stated earlier NO N.J. taxpayer should pay for a parade for any n.y. team when we have not done so for The Devils! The giants are not a New Jersey team, never have been , never will be. Mr. Tishe said after the game that the win was for NEW YORK CITY,he said nothing about any part of New Jersey. It was a huge slap in the face to ALL of us! And again they still do have something to do with n.y. THEY PRACTICE IN ALBANY.

JerseyDevil
02-03-2008, 10:09 PM
This discussion started about parades not celebrations. As a Devil fan I have been to all 3 Stanley Cup celebrations and was lucky enough to go to the first Giants celebration, I still have the ticket stub from it. As I stated earlier NO N.J. taxpayer should pay for a parade for any n.y. team when we have not done so for The Devils! The giants are not a New Jersey team, never have been , never will be. Mr. Tishe said after the game that the win was for NEW YORK CITY,he said nothing about any part of New Jersey. It was a huge slap in the face to ALL of us! And again they still do have something to do with n.y. THEY PRACTICE IN ALBANY.
They have NOTHING to do with New York City at all. And yes - it is a huge slap in the face to New Jersey. That's why I don't support them and never will. They are NOT a NY team - they are a New JERSEY team. Doesn't matter what they choose to put on their uniforms - it was New JERSEY tax money that went to build Giants Stadium for them. It was New Jersey that forgave them $200 million in debt they still owe the state when Codey signed their new deal.

Just because someone puts something in their name or their uniforms, doesn't make it true. I can call myself emperor of NJ - doesn't make it true.

NJPRIDE
02-04-2008, 07:59 AM
Doesn't matter what they choose to put on their uniforms

Now J.D. I have got you, you are a hippocrate, If it doesn't matter what they put on their uniform WHY did you start a website "DropNY.com"? And if I'm not mistaken, and I Know I'm not, you wanted them to lose because of the n.y. on their uniform, right? Face it, the NFL, the people of n.y., the giants ownership, and 99% of the world view them as a n.y. team! And by the way as a longtime taxpaying citizen of this state I am well aware of the money given to the giants by this state.

JerseyDevil
02-04-2008, 08:16 AM
Now J.D. I have got you, you are a hippocrate, If it doesn't matter what they put on their uniform WHY did you start a website "DropNY.com"?

Where did I say that it doesn't matter to ME what they put on their uniforms??? I said it doesn't matter what they put on their uniforms, it doesn't make them a NY team. IT DOES MATTER to me however what they have their uniforms though. Just because they slap NY on their uniforms, doesn't make them a NY team. They may want to make people think they are a NY team, but they aren't. If they want to be NY then they should go back across the river and play in Yankee stadium like they did over 30 years ago.


And if I'm not mistaken, and I Know I'm not, you wanted them to lose because of the n.y. on their uniform, right? Face it, the NFL, the people of n.y., the giants ownership, and 99% of the world view them as a n.y. team! And by the way as a longtime taxpaying citizen of this state I am well aware of the money given to the giants by this state.

Yes - I always say that the reason why I want them to lose and why I don't support them is because of the NY on their uniforms and that they promote themselves as a NY team when they aren't. I even tell people - including my cousin - if they put NJ on their uniforms - I would be one of their biggest fans. My attitude toward the Giants would change overnight with them if they p[ut NJ on their uniforms. So I don't get how you can say I'm a hypocrite.

I wanted them to lose for the sole reason for have NY on their uniforms and not showing any respect to New Jersey, New Jerseyans and their New Jersey fans! The comment by my the owner at the press conference on "This win is for New York City and out New York fans" was an example of why I wanted them to lose. I found out last night when talking to one of my friends that that comment did open up some eyes as to the attitude of the Giants toward New Jersey and their home state.

vacgn38
02-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Media image matters alot and what was seen by the country yesterday was the "NY" Giants defeating the New England Patriots. Other than receiving New Jersey taxpayer money & perks, the Giants organization have blatantly shown that they could care less about this state. Sadly our so called political leaders have shown their apathy toward this issue also by their silence. Imagine what could have been accomlished if all the same NJ folks that crusaded against the Newark Arena instead rallied for the Giants & Jets to either take the state name or move to their beloved New York.

JerseyDevil
02-04-2008, 06:39 PM
Media image matters alot and what was seen by the country yesterday was the "NY" Giants defeating the New England Patriots. Other than receiving New Jersey taxpayer money & perks, the Giants organization have blatantly shown that they could care less about this state. Sadly our so called political leaders have shown their apathy toward this issue also by their silence. Imagine what could have been accomlished if all the same NJ folks that crusaded against the Newark Arena instead rallied for the Giants & Jets to either take the state name or move to their beloved New York.
I agree with you 100%. Look at what Codey gave away to the Giants in their deal to "stay" in NJ, not that they had anywhere else to go, but not even a thank-you or acknowledgment by the team for New Jersey. As I posted in the "Giants new Stadium" thread, when the giants made the announcement of the stadium deal, they said "we are so happy to be staying in New Jersey". If they were so happy - then they can wear NJ on their uniforms.

One of the key reasons for hosting major league sports teams is the marketing opportunities that come from it. The stadiums themselves don't make money - it's from the name recognition and attracting the tourists. It allows for the location to be marketed to a huge audience, especially when they win the Super Bowl like yesterday. But instead of the media talking about all the great things in New Jersey - it was all about NY. Codey is a Giants fan and he wanted them to stay at all costs, he gave away everything to him and yet boasted that the stadium isn't costing the tax payers anything. It's going to be interesting to see if NJSEA will be able to stay in the black with how much Codye gave away. George Zoffinger was completely against the deal and I'm sure Bernard Springer is rolling over in his grave - he was a big supporter of New Jersey and a true voice for the state - he died too young last year.

I wish New Jerseyans took pride in their state and would get tired of NY always taking our thunder. But unless we have politicians who care, or media to even report it - it's an uphill battle. You really think that NY news is going to report about the many New Jerseyans that are fed up with New York's arrogant attitude toward NJ???

BTW - I really miss talking to Bernard at the NJ Hall of Fame media events. He was a true supporter of New Jersey and always referred to the Giants as the New JERSEY Giants. I wish there were more of him in New Jersey.

JerseyDevil
02-04-2008, 10:20 PM
Supposedly the Giants are having SOME celebration at the Meadowlands. Channel 7 had it as an aside type of thing, but there are no details on what it will be. It's just taking place sometime after the parade in NY. As for it costing a lot, Bloomberg said it is really not costing the city much at all. It's mostly handled by volunteers and security is only requiring a some extra police.

So I wonder - do you think we'll see the Meadowlands celebration televised??? and do you think that that magnificent Dick Codey who worked so so hard on the Giants new stadium deal and sold New Jersey out will be invited to stand side by side with the mayor of NY??? Will Corzine be present or the representatives of NJSEA?? For some reason - I highly doubt it. But if the Giants can win the Super Bowl, then maybe pigs could fly. I have a feeling though that we have a better chance of seeing the Giants put NJ on their uniforms and showing pride in their home state, than we do having having NJ representatives present at the ticker tape parade.

JerseyDevil
02-05-2008, 10:50 AM
I sent the following to Codey -



Mr Codey -

I was wondering if after you made this great deal with the Giants and their new stadium, if you and Governor Corzine, along with representatives from NJSEA, have been "invited" to celebrate with OUR team in New York? Or was New Jersey slighted again?

As long as they promote themselves as a NY team, I will never support the Giants, Jets and Red Bulls. NY is getting all the recognition for OUR team - when the key reason for hosting sports team is for the marketing and notoriety it brings to their home. However, NY gets all the attention, while we continue to get ignored.

Where was the statement "This win is for New Jersey and our New Jersey fans"?? Oh yeah, the owner said "This is for New York City and all our New YORK fans". I guess we see what the Giants really feel about New Jersey.

I will continue to support a true and PROUD New JERSEY team - the New JERSEY Devils.

Sincerely -

Robert Rosetta

NJPRIDE
02-05-2008, 07:41 PM
They have NOTHING to do with New York City at all. And yes - it is a huge slap in the face to New Jersey. That's why I don't support them and never will. They are NOT a NY team - they are a New JERSEY team. Doesn't matter what they choose to put on their uniforms - it was New JERSEY tax money that went to build Giants Stadium for them. It was New Jersey that forgave them $200 million in debt they still owe the state when Codey signed their new deal.

Just because someone puts something in their name or their uniforms, doesn't make it true. I can call myself emperor of NJ - doesn't make it true.

Read your own post and then you will see where you said doesn't matter what they put on their uniform. By they way at today's parade Mr. Mara said they represent n.y.c., the great state of n.y., and the great state of New Jersey. Again the owners say they are a n.y. team. As far as N.J. reps at the parade the Mayor of East Rutherford was invited by Mayor Bloomberg, did attend, and was introduced on stage as the "Mayor of the Meadowlands and the Mayor of East Rutherford". Now as much as I hate to defend n.y. did we invite any n.y. reps to the Meadowlands as a good will gesture like Mayor Bloomberg invited the Mayor of East Rutherford? As a matter of fact in his opening remarks on the stage Mayor Bloomberg did acknowledge New Jersey. And if your so worried about N.J. politicians being sellouts to n.y. why would you want any to show up to the parade. The last thing you would want is for anybody from the NJSEA to be there either, after all they also suck up to n.y., don't they?

Nurvingiel
02-08-2008, 03:57 PM
JD, don't forget to support the New Jersey Nets as well. (If you like basketball.) Heck, your state has two professional teams, you should be happy. That's not too shabby you know. :D

Jersey Warren
02-08-2008, 04:20 PM
This was from the Bergen Record, NorthJersey.com. I'm glad the legislators at least made reference to the Giants' true home. They need to do more, put pressure on the team to change their name.


Trenton gives Bowl champs a dig

Friday, February 8, 2008BY JOHN REITMEYERFresh off their victory laps in Manhattan and East Rutherford, the Giants were honored by the state Assembly on Thursday for their Super Bowl victory.

Even South Jersey lawmakers who favor the Philadelphia Eagles lauded Big Blue's 17-14 win over the previously undefeated New England Patriots. Some couldn't resist a little dig, though.

"One day I hope to be standing here issuing a proclamation to the New Jersey Giants," said Assemblyman Anthony Chiappone, D-Hudson, in presenting a resolution to Giants tackle Kareem McKenzie, a Willingboro native.

"We appreciate your efforts on behalf of the New Jersey Giants," added Assembly Minority Leader Alex DeCroce.

McKenzie responded: "We'd like to thank you and the fans in New Jersey who have supported us year in and year out."

The team carries a New York moniker but has played in East Rutherford at state-run Giants Stadium since 1976.

Assembly Speaker Joe Roberts, a Camden Democrat who represents what is mostly Eagles territory, said everyone in the state was rooting for the Giants on Sunday -- at least for the day.

"We are so proud of the job you did," Roberts said. Chiappone credited the team for overcoming the odds in a last-minute comeback against the heavily favored Patriots. "You inspired us all," Chiappone said.

E-mail: reitmeyer@northjersey.com

beatman10
02-10-2008, 09:34 PM
JD, don't forget to support the New Jersey Nets as well. (If you like basketball.) Heck, your state has two professional teams, you should be happy. That's not too shabby you know. :D
whose owner is biding his time until he gets his new arena built in Brooklyn. They have pretty much removed "New Jersey" from all their marketing. Why our state allowed this to happen is just another example of our politicans inability or unwillingness to stand up for NJ. Did you know that the state signed an agreement with the Nets that penalizes the team if they decide to join the Devils in Newark, but allows the team to move to Brooklyn or Queens
(yes Queens!!) with no penalty? Yep, the state would rather the Nets leave NJ than play in Newark!! At the same time we get to subsidize the Nets and their owner who is using us to help pay for his Brooklyn arena. I guess NJ will also be forced to pay for the Nets moving vans!! Hey, do you think the team will still keep "New Jersey" on their uni's when they move?

A-Line
02-12-2008, 03:20 PM
I made it. :D You can use it too if you want.

Yes, nice avatar! Is there any way you can post the file in a bigger size?

As far as the Giants go, count me among those who feel the team has snubbed this state for more than 30 YEARS. I don't care that John Mara briefly mentioned New Jersey in his speech. And I don't care that they say the New York name is supposed to represent the city and not the state.

If New York wants a football team, or a soccer team, or another basketball team for that matter, then it should find a spot for them. The state and city are more than big enough to find a place for them.

The fact is that the fine state of New Jersey, our home, is a well-known part of the U.S. We deserve our own teams.

And we deserve elected officials who are willing to stand up for us and our name.

svenk
05-16-2008, 04:59 PM
I do not see why we cannot support the giants, ok, they do not have the logo right? But in the end, we do want our guys to go all the way to the top, don't we?

JerseyDevil
05-17-2008, 08:32 AM
I do not see why we cannot support the giants, ok, they do not have the logo right? But in the end, we do want our guys to go all the way to the top, don't we?

But they don't promote themselves as "our guys" - they promote themselves as New YORK. We get the money whether they win or lose - but when they won the Super Bowl the owner did not say this is for our hometown state of New Jersey and our New Jersey fans - no instead he said - this is win is for New York and our new York fans. I'll support teams that are proud to be in New Jersey- not ones that merely play here because of convenience. Both the Giants and Jets should go back and play in New York if that is what they want to call themselves.

90% of the benefit of having a sports team is the marketing power. Think of the millions and millions of dollars companies spend to have their name on a stadium. Now think of how much marketing dollars NY gets by having their name on OUR teams! When people hear Giants or Jets - they don't think of NJ. When you see someone wearing a Giants or Jets Jersey you don't think of New Jersey - you think of NY. I will not support them as long as they call themselves NY while being a New JERSEY team. It's about time New Jerseyans showed some pride and stopped taking this second class status.

Nurvingiel
09-14-2008, 04:30 PM
Sorry A-Line, I don't know what happened to the original file I made.


And I don't care that they say the New York name is supposed to represent the city and not the state.That is still a problem anyway, since they are from neither New York the city nor New York the state.

Sorry for the necropost guys. :o

arunkumar
09-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Nice, I like your avatar..

simplosys
01-18-2009, 10:20 AM
All right, this is a reply long overdue. First of all, logos change a lot faster these days. Money and not pride in their state seems to be the selling point these days. I guess if you want to be paid well, you would do anything for it. You can take a flying leap and guess what that amounts to.
The problem is not localized to new jersey but it is prevalent everywhere, the culprit - corporate hogs who seem intent on buying the best players out and paying them even more to wear their logo. Think MacDonald and you will get an idea of what this is all about.

JerseyDevil
01-03-2010, 02:25 PM
This is the most enjoyable Giants season I have had since they put that ridiculous NY on their uniforms. How much worse can this team be??? They only just scored against the Vikings at 9 minutes left in the fourth quarter. 7 - 44 :D

I hope the Giants are JUST as good next season. It's hard to hope they could be any worse.

BTW - the proud to be New Jersey team - the NJ Devils are number one! I root for the New Jersey teams who proudly wear NJ on their uniforms and aren't ashamed to let the world know where they play.