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MITHRANDIR
03-10-2004, 08:49 AM
What do you consider to be the road with the worst traffic in the state of New Jersey?

If you choose other, please post your answer below.

JerseyDevil
03-10-2004, 04:57 PM
I'm not sure actually. It depends on what stretch you are talking about, what time of day as well as season. The Parkway is very well named during the summer on Fridays. I generally have no problem with Rt 1 unless it's at 5:00 going south bound (although between North Brunswick and Woodbridge it can get bad). Never had any problems with the Turnpike at all. Usually I see that it gets backed up south of the Jamesburg exit (8A) where the truck and car lanes merge.

MITHRANDIR
03-11-2004, 10:50 AM
I'm not sure actually. It depends on what stretch you are talking about, what time of day as well as season. The Parkway is very well named during the summer on Fridays. I generally have no problem with Rt 1 unless it's at 5:00 going south bound (although between North Brunswick and Woodbridge it can get bad). Never had any problems with the Turnpike at all. Usually I see that it gets backed up south of the Jamesburg exit (8A) where the truck and car lanes merge.

Good point.

Perhaps I should have been more specific in the stretches of roads chosen and the time of day.

The time of day will be Rush hours (Morning or Afternoon).
I think I will let the roads stand as is. If people wish to elaborate on a particular stretch of road, they are more than welcome to indicate that below.

JerseyDevil
07-04-2004, 05:33 PM
They're going to be taking out the light by Nassau Park just north of Quakerbridge Mall on Rt 1. This will relieve some of the congestion in the area supposedly - but now I will not be able to go north bound on Rt 1 without exiting off of Quaker Bridge Rd. I shop at Wegmans.

You know where I think the WORST traffic is or some of the worst anyway. Hoopers Rd jughandle on Rt 37 heading toward Seaside Heights. That jughandle is a MESS. It gets backed-up because it's not a normal jughandle - it contains three two stop signs and basically one has to go on three roads to get to the Ocean County Mall. I have now taken to going past the Hooper Rd jughandle and making a U turn at the next jughandle and then making a right onto Hoopers Rd.

MITHRANDIR
03-21-2005, 08:10 PM
They're going to be taking out the light by Nassau Park just north of Quakerbridge Mall on Rt 1. This will relieve some of the congestion in the area supposedly - but now I will not be able to go north bound on Rt 1 without exiting off of Quaker Bridge Rd. I shop at Wegmans.

You know where I think the WORST traffic is or some of the worst anyway. Hoopers Rd jughandle on Rt 37 heading toward Seaside Heights. That jughandle is a MESS. It gets backed-up because it's not a normal jughandle - it contains three two stop signs and basically one has to go on three roads to get to the Ocean County Mall. I have now taken to going past the Hooper Rd jughandle and making a U turn at the next jughandle and then making a right onto Hoopers Rd.

They have improved that jughandle a little bit. The jughandle still gets backed up under heavy traffic, but it is a little better.

MITHRANDIR
03-21-2005, 08:24 PM
Traffic on the Garden State Parkway is being improved with the use of alternating toll booths. (Currently at the Asbury, Raritan, and Union toll plazas)

http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/oneway.htm

NJ Construction Updates on other state roads (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/)

Skatin
03-23-2005, 07:38 AM
What do you consider to be the road with the worst traffic in the state of New Jersey?

If you choose other, please post your answer below.

Routes 9 and 37 are pretty bad. But they're actually fixing up 37 this week as they've got most of the road blocked off for the road crews. Route 9 has an extreme amount of pot holes which have needed to be fixed for about 5-10 years now. The road is also one lane in both directions for a vast majority of its stretch. And not to mention the 50 to 30mph speed changes which have no obvous speed limit signs.

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JerseyDevil
03-23-2005, 09:24 AM
37 is terrible. My cousin lives in beachwood and if we meet at the Ocean County Mall - I do not take the jug hangle that goes to the mall on 37 (hoopers rd) - I go past that and then back track. It's just a mess there. In the summer it's even worse. I take the backroads during the summer and avoid 70 and 37 as much as possible. I'd rather go south to Beechwood and have to come back north a short ways on the parkway - then get stuck in the summertime traffic on 70 and 37.

NJRay
11-18-2005, 06:10 PM
You are right! Rt. 70 through Ocean County is bumper to bumper, especially in Brick and Lakewood. Rt. 37 is solid with cars during the winter; during the summer it's often a parking lot. Try Rt 73 in Camden County for close to Demolition Derby conditions. Rt 130 in Burlington County - terrible. NJ ignores the southern half of the state. For at least 40 years, there has been talk about widening Rt 9 from Lakewood south. It still hasn't happened.

JerseyDevil
11-26-2005, 05:08 PM
One of the key contributors of traffic I have found is the endless building of mega-developments. The thing is, they're often built on the edge of one town, which then obvisouly affects the roads and quality of life in the surrounding towns. Either New Jerseyans are blind or something - but when a mega-development goes in - it affects roads for miles around. Plainsobro recently put in a development along the D&R canal just south of Kingston on a backwoods road (right across from the StJoseph Seminary). This development contains a HUGE amount of town houses. Well these people have to get to work and the store somehow. Now all these cars will be driving on country roads. Kingston isn't happy because it's basically a small colonial town and can not support the traffic without completely changing the character of the town.

At 5:00pm - even as early as 4:30pm, Rt 1 by Plainsboro is a parking lot. This then causes Plainsboro/Scudders Mill Rd to become a parking lot. I have actually gone NORTH on Rt 1, and turned around to go South on Rt 1 - so I wouldn't be waiting in stop dead traffic on the off ramp of Scudders Mill Rd. Another example is with develpment along Dey Rd. Because of so many people wanting to make a left at the Dey Rd and Scudders Mill Rd intersection - it backs up traffic on Scudders Milll Rd. The left hand turn lane is no longer long enough, so then it basically forces Scudders Mill Rd down to a one lane road as cars extend into the one lane waiting to get into the left hand turn lane. This all causes traffic problems.

Plainsboro is currently building the village center, which will be mixed use with businesses, retail and apartments. I completely support this kind of building, although there is a one problem with what Plainsboro did. They didn't put it in the center of the population. They did put it across the street from CVS, the grocery store and bank, but they should have put it where the Adult Community is being built and the Adult Community should have been built where the Village Center is going. That is more central, people in the adult community would have been able to walk just across the street to the grocery store. The Plainsboro Village would have been the same distance for them, yet within walking distance to the concentration of apartments in the area. Now in order to go to the Village Center, most people living in the apartments will have to drive, because it's about an hour walk.

I fully support mixed use development - especially with mega-developments. It should be a requirement that if you have so many people living there, that some sort of retail MUST go in. Otherwise what happens is that even if a person needs a carton of milk, they need to get into their car and drive and contribute to the traffic problem. We should encourge SMART development to help ease the traffic problems.

I would like to see more building and development going on in the cities - let's restore the cities, let's help prevent bottlenect traffic in the small towns and suburbs.

NJRay
11-26-2005, 05:43 PM
One of the key contributors of traffic I have found is the endless building of mega-developments. The thing is, they're often built on the edge of one town, which then obvisouly affects the roads and quality of life in the surrounding towns. Either New Jerseyans are blind or something - but when a mega-development goes in - it affects roads for miles around. Plainsobro recently put in a development along the D&R canal just south of Kingston on a backwoods road (right across from the StJoseph Seminary). This development contains a HUGE amount of town houses. Well these people have to get to work and the store somehow. Now all these cars will be driving on country roads. Kingston isn't happy because it's basically a small colonial town and can not support the traffic without completely changing the character of the town.

At 5:00pm - even as early as 4:30pm, Rt 1 by Plainsboro is a parking lot. This then causes Plainsboro/Scudders Mill Rd to become a parking lot. I have actually gone NORTH on Rt 1, and turned around to go South on Rt 1 - so I wouldn't be waiting in stop dead traffic on the off ramp of Scudders Mill Rd. Another example is with develpment along Dey Rd. Because of so many people wanting to make a left at the Dey Rd and Scudders Mill Rd intersection - it backs up traffic on Scudders Milll Rd. The left hand turn lane is no longer long enough, so then it basically forces Scudders Mill Rd down to a one lane road as cars extend into the one lane waiting to get into the left hand turn lane. This all causes traffic problems.

Plainsboro is currently building the village center, which will be mixed use with businesses, retail and apartments. I completely support this kind of building, although there is a one problem with what Plainsboro did. They didn't put it in the center of the population. They did put it across the street from CVS, the grocery store and bank, but they should have put it where the Adult Community is being built and the Adult Community should have been built where the Village Center is going. That is more central, people in the adult community would have been able to walk just across the street to the grocery store. The Plainsboro Village would have been the same distance for them, yet within walking distance to the concentration of apartments in the area. Now in order to go to the Village Center, most people living in the apartments will have to drive, because it's about an hour walk.

I fully support mixed use development - especially with mega-developments. It should be a requirement that if you have so many people living there, that some sort of retail MUST go in. Otherwise what happens is that even if a person needs a carton of milk, they need to get into their car and drive and contribute to the traffic problem. We should encourge SMART development to help ease the traffic problems.

I would like to see more building and development going on in the cities - let's restore the cities, let's help prevent bottlenect traffic in the small towns and suburbs.

MITHRANDIR
11-27-2005, 08:10 PM
One of the key contributors of traffic I have found is the endless building of mega-developments. The thing is, they're often built on the edge of one town, which then obvisouly affects the roads and quality of life in the surrounding towns. Either New Jerseyans are blind or something - but when a mega-development goes in - it affects roads for miles around. Plainsobro recently put in a development along the D&R canal just south of Kingston on a backwoods road (right across from the StJoseph Seminary). This development contains a HUGE amount of town houses. Well these people have to get to work and the store somehow. Now all these cars will be driving on country roads. Kingston isn't happy because it's basically a small colonial town and can not support the traffic without completely changing the character of the town.

At 5:00pm - even as early as 4:30pm, Rt 1 by Plainsboro is a parking lot. This then causes Plainsboro/Scudders Mill Rd to become a parking lot. I have actually gone NORTH on Rt 1, and turned around to go South on Rt 1 - so I wouldn't be waiting in stop dead traffic on the off ramp of Scudders Mill Rd. Another example is with develpment along Dey Rd. Because of so many people wanting to make a left at the Dey Rd and Scudders Mill Rd intersection - it backs up traffic on Scudders Milll Rd. The left hand turn lane is no longer long enough, so then it basically forces Scudders Mill Rd down to a one lane road as cars extend into the one lane waiting to get into the left hand turn lane. This all causes traffic problems.

Plainsboro is currently building the village center, which will be mixed use with businesses, retail and apartments. I completely support this kind of building, although there is a one problem with what Plainsboro did. They didn't put it in the center of the population. They did put it across the street from CVS, the grocery store and bank, but they should have put it where the Adult Community is being built and the Adult Community should have been built where the Village Center is going. That is more central, people in the adult community would have been able to walk just across the street to the grocery store. The Plainsboro Village would have been the same distance for them, yet within walking distance to the concentration of apartments in the area. Now in order to go to the Village Center, most people living in the apartments will have to drive, because it's about an hour walk.

I fully support mixed use development - especially with mega-developments. It should be a requirement that if you have so many people living there, that some sort of retail MUST go in. Otherwise what happens is that even if a person needs a carton of milk, they need to get into their car and drive and contribute to the traffic problem. We should encourge SMART development to help ease the traffic problems.

I would like to see more building and development going on in the cities - let's restore the cities, let's help prevent bottlenect traffic in the small towns and suburbs.


I agree with the need for SMART development. SMART development will be a good situation for most people involved. (reduce the amount of traffic on local roads, make it more convenient for people to walk and/or use bicycles to work or retail stores, improve the environment -- less polution, less noise, less wear/tear on infrastructure, less use of fuel, tec.)

Mercer and Middlesex counties are unfortunately not the only places with poor planning with regards of these mega-development complexes. There are many parts of Ocean and Monmouth County with large scale development. In Brick Twp. (Ocean) State Route 70 from Lakewood to Brielle (Monmouth Cty) is lined with commercial development on both sides of the road. If you need to get through during rush hour you will be riding through a sea of red brake lights.

Route 70 near Cherry Hill and Route 73 on the other side of the State is in a similar state of congestion.

If the cities are improved, I think that people would be willing to move "back" to the cities. The improvement will not be overnight since the problems that have occured in the cities did not occur overnight.

[/minor rant] ;)

JerseyDevil
11-27-2005, 08:42 PM
I agree with the need for SMART development. SMART development will be a good situation for most people involved. (reduce the amount of traffic on local roads, make it more convenient for people to walk and/or use bicycles to work or retail stores, improve the environment -- less polution, less noise, less wear/tear on infrastructure, less use of fuel, tec.)

The problem is - when will New Jerseyans give up local control of their building. Everything is home rule in NJ and the local politicians don't want to give up the power. Their attiude - "who cares that there's a nice colonial town with a great main street with mom and pop stores and restaurants bordering my town - I want to build a mega-mall on that border with 15 restaurants to bring in the rateables."


Mercer and Middlesex counties are unfortunately not the only places with poor planning with regards of these mega-development complexes. There are many parts of Ocean and Monmouth County with large scale development. In Brick Twp. (Ocean) State Route 70 from Lakewood to Brielle (Monmouth Cty) is lined with commercial development on both sides of the road. If you need to get through during rush hour you will be riding through a sea of red brake lights.

Route 70 near Cherry Hill and Route 73 on the other side of the State is in a similar state of congestion.

Oh - I know that. It's interesting the two examples you chose. I grew up in Bricktown and I can't believe how congested it has become - although my area where I grew up is still residential - Michigan Ave off of Lanes Mill Rd (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=543+michigan+ave+bricktown+nj&ll=40.109424,-74.123211&spn=0.016090,0.044113&t=h&hl=en). As for 70 and 73 - I was just their today. It is a mess, although I think the Toms River/Bricktown area has it beat. For a real mess you should try Stelton Rd (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=piscataway+nj&ll=40.539504,-74.421988&spn=0.031975,0.088225&t=h&hl=en) which extends from Edison to Piscataway.


If the cities are improved, I think that people would be willing to move "back" to the cities. The improvement will not be overnight since the problems that have occured in the cities did not occur overnight.

There actually has been a lot of improvements going on - but people have to forget about the past. There isn't enough marketing of the great changes going on in New Jersey's cities. If people don't know about the changes in Newark, New Brunswick, Trenton, Jersey City, etc, then it almost doesn't matter. Restraurants, cultural centers and great apartments can all be built, but if their isn't the marketing - they will go out of business because people are still thinking of the past and aren't going into the cities. First peopl need to go in to VISIT the cities, then they will start to move back. That is one of the reasons why I support the Devils Arena so much in Newark.

Marianita
03-06-2006, 12:22 AM
Hi Jersey Devil, I do not see the Parkway as being bad at all at any time. Sometimes there are lines for the toll booths but that's it. I think route 70 is packed at certain hours. Actually the traffic flows pretty smoothly in New Jersey unless you get caught in a circle or something during rush hour. lol. Marianita

MABL
04-20-2006, 11:48 PM
Rt 18 from Piscataway to East Brunswick is always a parking lot, especially once you pass the Turnpike entrance and get into the shopping district. It usually takes me 30 min to drive 5 miles to get from Piscataway to Rt 1 after work. :mad:

Jersey Warren
04-21-2006, 02:01 PM
37 is terrible. My cousin lives in beachwood and if we meet at the Ocean County Mall - I do not take the jug hangle that goes to the mall on 37 (hoopers rd) - I go past that and then back track. It's just a mess there. In the summer it's even worse. I take the backroads during the summer and avoid 70 and 37 as much as possible. I'd rather go south to Beechwood and have to come back north a short ways on the parkway - then get stuck in the summertime traffic on 70 and 37.

JD, this post REALLY makes me feel at home, though I've never actually lived in Toms River. My family moved there in 1968 and they lived on a little side street right off 37, just a very short block (composed of a 7-11 and a WaWa) West of Oak Ridge Parkway [County Road 527]. That's a busy intersection across 37 from Lakehurst Road, whichs splits off 37 on an angle. Years ago, you could come out of my family's street (Rail Place, off Germania Court) and make a left on 37 (if you were brave enough.) About ten years ago, they put a barrier down the highway, and then you had to make a right on 37 (West) to the Blue Jay Drive jughandle and backtrack.

My Mom gave up her house earlier this year and now lives at an assisted living facility on Old Freehold Road [County Road 623].

I am VERY familiar with Hooper Avenue because that's where St. Joseph's Cemetary is, where two of my grandparents, my Dad, and a younger brother who was killed in a car crash 25 years ago are all buried. In fact, when we are in New Jersey in the fall, I am considering buying a cemetary plot there where my bones can rest in Toms River (just off Hooper Avenue) until doomsday! This may sound morbid, but even though I've spent most of my adult life out of New Jersey, I eventually want to "go home."

We were at the Ocean County Mall on our last trip back there, 3 years ago. We had Nathan's hot dogs at the food court for lunch.

If you continue on Hooper Avenue, it takes you past several of the schools my brothers attended growing up, including Ocean County College.

Before my Mom gave up driving last year, she was pretty good at finding her way around Toms River and avoiding 37, especially during the summer months. Her office was in downtown T.R. and she had to learn how to get around the shore traffic that runs all the way to Seaside Heights in the summer. The summer traffic between the Parkway and Seaside was actually worse years ago, when they only had one bridge (a draw bridge) across Barnegat Bay between T.R. and S.H., instead of the two they have now (and they built the second bridge higher). But no matter how you slice it, you picked a good candidate for the worst traffic award!

Jersey Warren
04-21-2006, 02:11 PM
There actually has been a lot of improvements going on - but people have to forget about the past. There isn't enough marketing of the great changes going on in New Jersey's cities. If people don't know about the changes in Newark, New Brunswick, Trenton, Jersey City, etc, then it almost doesn't matter. Restraurants, cultural centers and great apartments can all be built, but if their isn't the marketing - they will go out of business because people are still thinking of the past and aren't going into the cities. First peopl need to go in to VISIT the cities, then they will start to move back. That is one of the reasons why I support the Devils Arena so much in Newark.

My brother, Greg (the one from Red Bank) works at NJIT in Newark. He's always talking about the city's comeback, the great restaurants, grocery stores, etc. On one of our recent trips back, we left our car at the NJIT parking lot and took Newark's subway. I lived in N.J. for 22 years and never even knew Newark HAD a subway! I used to go there only for my draft board physical!

NJPRIDE
04-21-2006, 09:02 PM
The Newark subway is the old Morris canal .

Marianita
04-21-2006, 11:09 PM
I agree that route 70 can be awfully busy. There is a jug handle there and when you exit you merge with other cars and it turns into one lane. That can be pretty scary when the traffic is at it's heaviest. Cherry Hill has a lot of traffic , is that route 73? Anyway it seems to me that Cherry Hill always has a lot of traffic. I may have been there at a busy time. And that circle in Marlton has to be seen to be believed. lol:) Marianita

Nvme
06-27-2006, 11:56 AM
Route 3 east or west during rushhour is a mess.

Marianita
06-27-2006, 04:11 PM
Hi NVME, Yes, route 3 definitely is. Route 70 is probably worse. lol. During rush hours it is almost bumper to bumper. It took a long time to get home when we went. Marianita:)

thehenchman
10-26-2006, 11:57 AM
The Mad Max type adventures traversing the most dangerous stretch of road in the US, route 17 (enter only upon your own risk you slow driving, turnsignelusing pussy)(only lead foot, lane changing, coffee drinking, bagel eating cell phone using, cigarette smoking tailgating flipping you off while they check the moosed out hair guidos and guidettes apply). The entrance ramps are short so say a prayer, gun it and hope that the stars are aligned and the your horoscope says that death is not at your door today . Finding someone to wave you in, flash their lights and politely let you merge in front of them is about as likely as a Jersey girl to not have her nails manicured and her hair with enough hairspray to wipe out half of the ozone layer.

Rt 46, with it's asteroid sized pot holes, is a close second when it comes to danger only before experienced by shark wrestlers and anyone who wears a NJ devil's jersey to the Garden. And where the hell are the left turns? Loop around here, loop around there, **** that I got something for you to loop! What these ****ing moronic losers did not know is that I drove a company car and if I wrecked it then I just got a new one with was probably better than the old one so score one for me. I did rear end a $25K racing bike one day and until I brandished a aluminum softball bat the soprano wannabe finally reckoned that the only justice he was going to extricate was a check from the insurance company.

Marianita
10-26-2006, 11:34 PM
Hi henchman, I say. You have had a rough time driving in those areas. I will be sure to stay away from those places. lol. There are many parts of New Jersey I have not seen.What you discribed sounds like a nightmare, kind of like our freeways here.Here I have learned where to stay away from and I have my favorite routes. Take care. Marianita

Roadbldr '59
03-01-2007, 11:25 PM
I'm not sure actually. It depends on what stretch you are talking about, what time of day as well as season. The Parkway is very well named during the summer on Fridays.

Some things never change. When I was a kid around 1971, my Dad would try the GSP down to the Turnpike exit... if traffic was jammed over the Raritan River, he'd ditch over to Route 35 at Exit 127. Eventually we started just taking Routes 1&9 to 35, bypassing the Parkway completely... this meant making it from Essex County to Belmar in an hour-and-a-half, instead of three hours.

Nowadays though it's pretty much a wash. Route 1(&9) was my choice for NJ's most congested highway... the section from Newark Airport to the 9/35 split it's a virtual parking lot on summer Saturday mornings. Belmar is a 2-hour drive from EWR either way... whenever I visit, I take Route 35 purely for the nostalgia of it.

Marianita
03-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Hi roadblr, I can see how avoiding the parkway would save you some time. My daughter-in-law and I were moving along in a steady fast flow of traffic and I asked her to pull over so I could take a picture of a sign that said,''Cinnaminson Welcomes You.'' I had to snap the pic really fast as there were cars whizzing past us and they were too close for comfort. lol. There is a jug handle around there and it was packed with cars. It was unreal. Getting off the jug handle the traffic ( coming from the other direction) merged into the lane we were in :lmao: and that was a harrowing experience. It was not rush hour either. It was in the middle of the day. lol. Marianita

Jersey Warren
03-02-2007, 08:20 AM
Finding someone to wave you in, flash their lights and politely let you merge in front of them is about as likely as a Jersey girl to not have her nails manicured and her hair with enough hairspray to wipe out half of the ozone layer.
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Where did this image of New Jersey females originate? The movies?

When I left New Jersey in the 1970s, hairspray was just about dying out. On my return visist to the Garden State two or three times a year, I found that New Jersey females were partial to either the straight, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon folksinger look, or else short perms (mostly in the 80s.)

The first time I encountered "big-hair" and hair spray since the Shagri-Las girl band was popular in the 60s, was in Dallas circa 1992. By then, I had thought that hairspray was no longer made!

The movies love to portary all New Jerseyans as either "Vinnie Barbarinos" or Laverne DiFazios," depending on gender.

From my experience, New Jersey (like Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc.) is a very preppy, Ivy League, upper-middle-class, Liz Claiborne, Polo, Ralph Lauren, Dockers, L.L. Bean, Sperry Topsiders kind of state where most people dress as if they are going to the yacht club (or at least the marina). (Or maybe I just have classy relatives!)

:)

Roadbldr '59
03-06-2007, 11:58 PM
Where did this image of New Jersey females originate? The movies?

When I left New Jersey in the 1970s, hairspray was just about dying out. On my return visist to the Garden State two or three times a year, I found that New Jersey females were partial to either the straight, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon folksinger look, or else short perms (mostly in the 80s.)

The first time I encountered "big-hair" and hair spray since the Shagri-Las girl band was popular in the 60s, was in Dallas circa 1992. By then, I had thought that hairspray was no longer made!

The movies love to portary all New Jerseyans as either "Vinnie Barbarinos" or Laverne DiFazios," depending on gender.

From my experience, New Jersey (like Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc.) is a very preppy, Ivy League, upper-middle-class, Liz Claiborne, Polo, Ralph Lauren, Dockers, L.L. Bean, Sperry Topsiders kind of state where most people dress as if they are going to the yacht club (or at least the marina). (Or maybe I just have classy relatives!)

:)

I'm not sure I identify Jersey Girls with Big Hair... perhaps it's because i moved out of state before the 1980s (though I visited, and still visit frequently). However, there is a peculiar brand of sassiness that many women of the Garden State seem to share, different from gals anyplace else. It's an intangible thing... can't put my finger on it... but it's there.

Roadbldr '59
03-07-2007, 12:06 AM
Hi roadblr, I can see how avoiding the parkway would save you some time. My daughter-in-law and I were moving along in a steady fast flow of traffic and I asked her to pull over so I could take a picture of a sign that said,''Cinnaminson Welcomes You.'' I had to snap the pic really fast as there were cars whizzing past us and they were too close for comfort. lol. There is a jug handle around there and it was packed with cars. It was unreal. Getting off the jug handle the traffic ( coming from the other direction) merged into the lane we were in :lmao: and that was a harrowing experience. It was not rush hour either. It was in the middle of the day. lol. Marianita

By "jug handle" I assume you mean the U-turns that exit right, then loop around left to cross an expressway at a traffic light? It's funny... I never knew what they were called, but NJ seems to have more of those than any other state in the Union. Out here in Washington State and Oregon they flat-out do not exist.

Marianita
03-07-2007, 06:18 AM
Hi roadbldr, You got that right. Jug handles are where you make left turns from the right lanes. lol. We do not have any here in California either. There are some left turn lanes in New Jersey but not many. The problem I see is that if you are not in the right lane and cannot get over you m:lmao: iss your turn. lol. Marianita

Marianita
03-07-2007, 06:27 AM
Hi roadbldr, The big hair was a thing of the 70's. I had my share of it, lots of curls. I don't think it is in style now though. I did not notice it in New Jersey this last ime I went. The sassiness is an east coast thing. lol. That is one reason everyone tells me they know I am not from here. lol. marianita:lmao:

Jersey Warren
03-07-2007, 08:27 AM
Hi roadbldr, The big hair was a thing of the 70's. I had my share of it, lots of curls. I don't think it is in style now though. I did not notice it in New Jersey this last ime I went. The sassiness is an east coast thing. lol. That is one reason everyone tells me they know I am not from here. lol. marianita:lmao:


Hi Marianita,

When we moved to California in 1989, our real estate agent was also a substitute teacher who frequently spoke up and interjected her remarks at PTA meetings. She was a native of Virginia. She said that whenever she spoke up, people would mutter: "You must be from back East!"

I never realized that having the gumption to speak up and say what needed to be said was uniquely "an Eastern thing." But I have long been amazed in my travels around the country by just how much lack of service and disrespect from store clerks people outside of the Northeast sheepishly take without complaining. When I worked at my family's restaurants in Passaic and Jersey City as a teen, if you did not immediately wait on people within a minute after they sat down, they would say (and not quietly) "Can we get a little service over here!"

Yet people in the Midwest and California routinely sit patiently for ages without complaining. They are all so "mellow."

I tell you, living in different places is really an education in human nature. It should qualify a person for several Anthropology credits at least! :)

Marianita
03-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Hi Jersey Warren, You are absolutely right. The Californians are pretty laid back as compared to the easterners. I often say what I think and get myself in trouble. lol. I have been to a lot of places and noted the differences. My son said something about ''customer service'' when he moved to New Jersey but he had never been anywhere except Southern Calif.
Strangely enough now he acts likes he has always been in New Jersey. There is something about that place.
People tell me that they know I am not from around here. The pastor of my church really values the difference in people in his congregation, says it is nice to have an east coast lady and yes he can tell the difference.
The older I get the more my roots are manifest.
When I was deep in the heart of Mexico, Leon Guanajuato I noticed the humility of the people. It was an outstanding trait. When I am on the east coast I feel right at home. maybe because I am. lol.
That is funny about the big hair, :lmao: don't you think? lol. marianita

Jersey Warren
03-07-2007, 01:41 PM
Hi Jersey Warren, You are absolutely right. The Californians are pretty laid back as compared to the easterners. I often say what I think and get myself in trouble. lol. I have been to a lot of places and noted the differences. My son said something about ''customer service'' when he moved to New Jersey but he had never been anywhere except Southern Calif.
Strangely enough now he acts likes he has always been in New Jersey. There is something about that place.
People tell me that they know I am not from around here. The pastor of my church really values the difference in people in his congregation, says it is nice to have an east coast lady and yes he can tell the difference.
The older I get the more my roots are manifest.
When I was deep in the heart of Mexico, Leon Guanajuato I noticed the humility of the people. It was an outstanding trait. When I am on the east coast I feel right at home. maybe because I am. lol.
That is funny about the big hair, :lmao: don't you think? lol. marianita

It's funny how this post went from driving to big hair! :D I might take that guy's suggestoin about taking Route 9 instead of the Parkway on my next trip back. Either that or stay in the right-hand lanes and not try to use the express lanes, which I found indistinguishable from the EZ-Pass lanes on my last trip. That mistake cost me a total of about $100 in service charges to both EZ-Pass and the rental car company.

Back to the "big hair" stereotype for New Jersey females, it might have something to do with socio-economic classes and even small geographic areas within New Jersey. My home was in Bergen County and the rest of my family moved to Ocean County. When Jackie Kennedy and Lady Bird Johnson were first ladies, "big hair" was in for older women. But Baby Boomer Jersey girls copied folk singers like Joan Baez, Joni Mitchel, Carly Simon, etc. or else preferred the California "surfer girl" look which involved hair that was both bleached blonde and then actually ironed to make it straight! Lindsey Wagner still wears her hair like that, just see her in those Sleep Number bed commercials! Even guys were wild about surfing. My brother bleached his hair shortly before he moved to Toms River in 1968 and kept it that way all through high school. Ocean County was more like Orange County, Calif. in those days. Surfers ruled!

I visited New Jersey 2-3 times a year up until 1989 and the Preppy-Yuppie look was big there in the 80s. Almost everyone looked like they had walked off the set of the 80s TV show 30-Something or the movie Wall Street. My brother got a job on Wall Street and traded in his surfboard for a BMW! :)

Roadbldr '59
03-08-2007, 12:03 AM
I visited New Jersey 2-3 times a year up until 1989 and the Preppy-Yuppie look was big there in the 80s. Almost everyone looked like they had walked off the set of the 80s TV show 30-Something or the movie Wall Street. My brother got a job on Wall Street and traded in his surfboard for a BMW! :)

I spend more time nowadays in NJ than either L.A. or Seattle, both of where I also lived for many years. Part of it is because I'm in a long-distance relationship with a woman who lives in Arlington, Virginia... and her sister lives in Long Valley, NJ. Of course I make a point of flying out when my gf is driving up there... there's no excuse too small to go home again :-).

Marianita
03-08-2007, 12:58 PM
Hi Jersey Warren, I agree that you should avoid the parkway and stick with route 9 after your bad experience with EZ-pass and the rental car. lol. Now there's a lesson to be learned there. Sounds like your brother made a wise choice with the BMW. What is he doing these days? It sounds like he has a wonderful job. As for travel it is not always easy to stay in the right lane as the traffic tends to move slower.
As for the big hair and the blonde surfer look I had that naturally and ofcourse wanted to be different so I had an afro. I thought I was really cool. lol. My brother has naturally curly hair and I used to perm it so he could have an afro too. It was easier then for me. lol. My black friends were getting their hair straightened while I sported a big afro.
Those were the days. Eventually I traded my Mustang in for a Buick and have had Buicks to this day and have become quite middle classed and a baby boomer. lol. It sounds like you have things worked out pretty well with the lady from Arlington. One of my brothers was born there. I don't think it was planned as we lived in Maryland. lol.
I have not driven in New Jersey yet but really want to drive in one of those circles and also try out a jug handle. LOL. By the way, couldn't a person get stuck in the middle of a circle with no way out? If you say yes I will not try it. Marianita:lmao:

Roadbldr '59
03-09-2007, 01:42 AM
Hi Jersey Warren, I agree that you should avoid the parkway and stick with route 9 after your bad experience with EZ-pass and the rental car. lol. Now there's a lesson to be learned there. Sounds like your brother made a wise choice with the BMW. What is he doing these days? It sounds like he has a wonderful job. As for travel it is not always easy to stay in the right lane as the traffic tends to move slower.
As for the big hair and the blonde surfer look I had that naturally and ofcourse wanted to be different so I had an afro. I thought I was really cool. lol. My brother has naturally curly hair and I used to perm it so he could have an afro too. It was easier then for me. lol. My black friends were getting their hair straightened while I sported a big afro.
Those were the days. Eventually I traded my Mustang in for a Buick and have had Buicks to this day and have become quite middle classed and a baby boomer. lol. It sounds like you have things worked out pretty well with the lady from Arlington. One of my brothers was born there. I don't think it was planned as we lived in Maryland. lol.
I have not driven in New Jersey yet but really want to drive in one of those circles and also try out a jug handle. LOL. By the way, couldn't a person get stuck in the middle of a circle with no way out? If you say yes I will not try it. Marianita:lmao:

Marianita,

Actually it's me, Roadbldr, with the lady friend in Arlington. Funny though... two months ago I traded in my seven-year-old BMW 3-series for a brand-new Mustang GT! lol

Jersey Warren
03-09-2007, 08:26 AM
Marianita,

Actually it's me, Roadbldr, with the lady friend in Arlington. Funny though... two months ago I traded in my seven-year-old BMW 3-series for a brand-new Mustang GT! lol

I was wondering about that. I assumed Marianita was thinking of someone else. I am familiar with two Arlingtons one in Massachusetts and another in Texas and I have known women in both, so the comment didn't seem too "off the wall."

New Jersey has eliminated many of the old traffic circles, but some still exist, particularly in the southern and western portions of the state. Theoretically, traffic entering a circle is supposed to yield to those already in it, but you know how that works when drivers get aggressive. It is easier to get off than to get on, from my experience. The also have circles in Massachusetts, but they call them "rotaries" there.

Jughandles are very easy, just like exiting a highway and crossing over, except you are doing it at grade level instead of crossing under an overpass. The have something even weirder in Texas, called a "Texas U Turn." On many highways, the left lane is for U turns only and when you get to an overpass, you turn left under the overpass ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET FACING TRAFFIC, and then you make another left and wind up in the left lane going in the opposite direction. It works, once you get used to it, but that stretch going under the overpass on the "wrong" side of the street freaks you out at first!:)

Jersey Warren
03-09-2007, 08:33 AM
Hi Jersey Warren, I agree that you should avoid the parkway and stick with route 9 after your bad experience with EZ-pass and the rental car. lol. Now there's a lesson to be learned there. Sounds like your brother made a wise choice with the BMW. What is he doing these days? It sounds like he has a wonderful job. Marianita:lmao:

I forgot to answere that question. My brother still works on Wall Street but he outgrew his BMW years ago. He had a Mercedes for many years but my Mom told me he now has a Jaguar. He's with Daiwa Securities, a Japanese bank with a branch in New York. He drives from Toms River (where JD also lives) up to Monmouth County and leaves his car there, then takes a commuter boat to the foot of Wall Street in Manhattan. His company pays for the boat, which isn't cheap. The strange thing is, my brother never acted serious in his life. He thinks life is one big joke and he likes to recite dialogue from The Three Stooges and The Little Rascals whenever you're with him. Yet, he always seemed to "fall" into these terrific jobs making about 4-5 times more than I ever made. He's been the H.R. manager of several Wall Street firms during his career. I think companies hire him just to boost morale with his sily antics! :)

Marianita
03-09-2007, 10:21 PM
hi Jersey Warren. It has to be great driving that car. What color did you get? You are most likely the envy of many for having that vehicle. I am sure it has alot of power too. My Buick La Cross is nearly a year old. I am more into comfort these days.I spoiled myself and got the top of the line. It has so many features that my insurance actually went down, lol. The Buick is blueand I selected all the features I wanted in it. The local dealer did not have it so had to get it from Bakersfield.
Your brother is one of these people who combines intellect with a great personality and goes far in life seemingly with little effort. He just attracts the right people and the awesome jobs.He must be fun to be around and I would guess he is liked by everyone. I can just picture him crusing around in his Jaguar charming everyone he meets. It seems to me that he has discovered the secret to a happy life, not to take everything so seariously.Marianita

Marianita
03-09-2007, 10:27 PM
Hi Jersey Warren, That Texas U turn sounds like a nightmare to me. lol. :lmao:

Roadbldr '59
03-10-2007, 12:58 AM
I was wondering about that. I assumed Marianita was thinking of someone else. I am familiar with two Arlingtons one in Massachusetts and another in Texas and I have known women in both, so the comment didn't seem too "off the wall."

New Jersey has eliminated many of the old traffic circles, but some still exist, particularly in the southern and western portions of the state. Theoretically, traffic entering a circle is supposed to yield to those already in it, but you know how that works when drivers get aggressive. It is easier to get off than to get on, from my experience. The also have circles in Massachusetts, but they call them "rotaries" there.

Jughandles are very easy, just like exiting a highway and crossing over, except you are doing it at grade level instead of crossing under an overpass. The have something even weirder in Texas, called a "Texas U Turn." On many highways, the left lane is for U turns only and when you get to an overpass, you turn left under the overpass ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET FACING TRAFFIC, and then you make another left and wind up in the left lane going in the opposite direction. It works, once you get used to it, but that stretch going under the overpass on the "wrong" side of the street freaks you out at first!:)

There's also an Arlington, Washington, and a North Arlington, Ohio. Surely there must be an Arlington, New Jersey too!

I rather like both traffic circles and jughandles, myself. The former are fun and challenging to drive... if one likes driving, which i do. There used to be traffic circles at both junctions of Routes 35 and 36 on the way Down The Shore... I think the southernmost one, near Eatontown, is still there while the one further north has been replaced by a grade separation.

Jughandles take longer to execute than U-turns from left-turn lanes. However they are safer because you have the right of way over oncoming traffic, and have a greater field of view of potentially errant drivers.

Marianita
03-10-2007, 09:48 PM
Hi roadbldr, There is an Arlington Virginia too. That makes for a lot of Arlingtons. lol. Well, I am not so sure it was wise to do away with some of the circles in New Jersey as they help move a tremendous amount of traffic. I understand that the removal of some of the circles have caused traffic problems.
I have never driven the circles. We have one in the nearest large city. Ofcourse it does not have the amount of traffic like the ones in New Jersey. Anyway that circle is really cool because you can get around very well in different directions. I never gave it much thought. It is called the ''Belmont circle'' and it is the only one I have ever seen before going to New Jersey.The Marlton circle is unbelivable. You just sit there awhile. But thousands of cars go through there every day so I can see the wisdom in having a circle and wonder who invented it as it was an ingenious idea on someones part.
As for the jug handles I had never seen one. I am sure that if I lived in New Jersey I could manage the traffic after getting used to it. It is not really bad but just that some places are very congested and we have that here too. Marianita

Roadbldr '59
03-12-2007, 08:37 PM
Hi roadbldr, There is an Arlington Virginia too. That makes for a lot of Arlingtons. lol. Well, I am not so sure it was wise to do away with some of the circles in New Jersey as they help move a tremendous amount of traffic. I understand that the removal of some of the circles have caused traffic problems.
I have never driven the circles. We have one in the nearest large city. Ofcourse it does not have the amount of traffic like the ones in New Jersey. Anyway that circle is really cool because you can get around very well in different directions. I never gave it much thought. It is called the ''Belmont circle'' and it is the only one I have ever seen before going to New Jersey.The Marlton circle is unbelivable. You just sit there awhile. But thousands of cars go through there every day so I can see the wisdom in having a circle and wonder who invented it as it was an ingenious idea on someones part.
As for the jug handles I had never seen one. I am sure that if I lived in New Jersey I could manage the traffic after getting used to it. It is not really bad but just that some places are very congested and we have that here too. Marianita

Over in England they have traffic circles everywhere... the call them roundabouts. I like them... they're fun to drive and break up the monotony of endless traffic lights and/or grade separated interchanges. Properly designed roundabouts are actually safer and more conducive to traffic flow than either lights or interchanges... provided that there are equal volumes of traffic on the approaching roadways.

About Arlington VA... I know that one well. That's the Arlington my girlfriend lives in!

Marianita
03-12-2007, 10:51 PM
Hi roadbldr, I like driving the Belmont circle as it is a smooth ride and easy to get to different places. The circles do have their purpose and hopefully New Jersey can keep some of them. That is interesting that England has so many of the circles they call roundabouts.That must mean there is a heavy volume of traffic in England. I think a few circles could be useful in the Los Angeles area. I am sure glad I am not living there anymore. It is a much easier lifestyle here as far as traffic goes.
I remember Arlington as a beautiful place but it has been a whilesince I was there. Marianita

Roadbldr '59
03-13-2007, 12:15 AM
Hi roadbldr, I like driving the Belmont circle as it is a smooth ride and easy to get to different places. The circles do have their purpose and hopefully New Jersey can keep some of them. That is interesting that England has so many of the circles they call roundabouts.That must mean there is a heavy volume of traffic in England. I think a few circles could be useful in the Los Angeles area. I am sure glad I am not living there anymore. It is a much easier lifestyle here as far as traffic goes.
I remember Arlington as a beautiful place but it has been a whilesince I was there. Marianita

Mari,

So, where's "here" nowadays?

The only traffic circle I recall in the entire Los Angeles area is one down near Long Beach... and it's been 20 years+ since I've seen it, I am not altogether sure I'm not confusing it with one I remember from NJ!

Roadbldr

Marianita
03-13-2007, 12:57 AM
Hi roadbldr, I live in Central Calif. It is a different world the Los Angeles. It is agriculture here. I did not know that Long Beach had a circle. But then I did not spend a lot of time there. Maybe you did confuse it with a circle in New Jersey. That is easy to do. Maybe if you look up ''Belmont circle'' on the internet you can get a good idea of how that circle looks. Marianita:)

OliviaM
04-02-2007, 06:07 AM
:help: ...for route 1.

Marianita
04-03-2007, 04:24 AM
Hi Olivia, I agree that route 1 needs help. lol. Marianita:)