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Eric Stephenson
10-04-2005, 10:39 AM
I don't understand it.

I don't understand why the society at large is so down on NJ.

The accent and other stereotype thread is just one example of this.

If you have done any travelling at all outside of this state you have most certainly heard exactly what I'm talking about.

The whole "Oh, you're from New Jersey? What exit?" and the "whoever is the last one out please turn off the lights" thing is really getting to me.

Even the "local" media and even the sports teams feel the same way.

In my life I have travelled to a large portion of our country and about a dozen other countries in this world. After all this travelling I still believe we live in one of the most beautiful states/areas around.

How many other places in this world can you literally travel less then 3 hours and visit beautiful beaches, wondrous mountain ranges, historical areas and some of the most diverse cultural activities around?

The whole idea that we all have this "accent" and attitude is plain stupid. Unless you live within about 20 miles of NYC or you are of foreign descent you probably don't have any kind of accent. And the attitude, well to be kind let's just say the attitude is another stereotype that has come south over the years.

If people are so down on this state then why do they spend millions of dollars a year vacationing on our beaches? Why do the flock to the sports stadiums every day of the year? Why do the come and gamble their money in A.C.? Why do they move here?

I say enough is enough. I think we should start telling people that if they are that down on NJ then get the heck out we don't need your money that bad!

JerseyDevil
10-04-2005, 11:36 PM
There are many many reasons for this. Much of the current attitude comes from simply ignorance. 99% of the people who talk crap about NJ have never even been here, so where do they get their information from? Simple, they get it from comedians, hearsay, news, tv shows and of course movies. All this plays a role in what people perceive NJ to be whether it's true or not.

What bothers me more than what outsiders think, is what New Jerseyans themselves think. Now this is a much more complicated problem. My cousins's used to complain that NJ was boring when I first moved back. they didn't understand why I wanted to be back so bad or why I loved NJ so much. I proceeded to show them all that NJ has to offer. Their problem was that their parents never took them anywhere. Their mother can't stand the sand of the beach - so they never went there, their mother isn't into amusement parks - so they had never even been on a roller coaster before I moved back. They never went to any state parks. It was pathetic. Here they were saying how boring NJ was, and they weren't even taking advantage of the many things in their backyard. They kept saying they wanted to move to NY or Florida or Chicago. Now they find themselves defending NJ and being pissed when they hear people dissing NJ.

Unless we change the way new Jerseyans feel about ourselves and our state, there is no way we can change the way people outside feel about us. One of the big NJ problems, and something that someone recently sent an e-mail to me about concerns the lack of broadcasting stations in NJ. I have often talked to others about this, but I don't think I have ever posted this on the web. I will post his letter here, which I do agree with him, I think the lack of our own network news outlets in NJ is a very big detriment to NJ being independant from NY and PA and having a sense of self.



It is nice to see someone who shares so many of my feelings about New Jersey. I haven't found it on your site, but a principal reason for the stereotypes and misperceptions is the lack of a significant broadcast industry in the state. The problem is most severe in northern New Jersey where those in and out of the state are barraged with the messages carried by the often hostile New York City media.

Although New Jersey made great contributions to the development of broadcasting, it has been shortchanged by the F.C.C. and others in the number and quality of frequency and channel allocations. The commission, often serving more those it is supposed to regulate than the public, has turned a blind eye toward this deficiency. It is well aware of the problem and even has acknowledged it from time to time. But no substantive action ever has been taken.

New Jersey politicians, on all levels, have ignored the problem, perhaps because a large, vigorous electronic news media serves the public's interest more than those of the politicians. In other words, the more the public is kept in the dark about the political process the more politicians are protected from public scrutiny. The current gubernatorial race, for example, has had little airing on those stations people in northern New Jersey are expected to consider "local," i.e. the New York stations.

New Jersey is home to two NBC television networks...CNBC and MSNBC. The latter identifies its location as "MSNBC World Headquarters," never mentioning that they are in Secaucus, or even New Jersey. Through scenery and inference, the public is left to assume that they are in New York City. In an e-mail exchange with an MSNBC representative I expressed my feelings about their reticence to identify with New Jersey. She told me that MSNBC was proud of their then-new headquarters. I asked her if she was also proud to be in New Jersey. She never replied.

In response to complaints in the past, the F.C.C. was willing to go only so far as requiring New York TV stations to have telephone numbers in New Jersey. The purpose of this cynical response was to enable people in New Jersey to call the New York stations to alert them when a newsworthy event was occurring in our state. Almost twenty years ago the commission dropped two UHF TV allocations into northern New Jersey, ostensibly to solve the lack of TV stations in the area. One allocation was set aside for a member of a minority group who actually lived in the signal coverage of the station. The other allocation was designated as "educational." The former, WMBC-TV, broadcasts infomercials and programs, including news, in Korean and other foreign languages. The latter, WFME-TV, is owned by a religious broadcaster. Its signal is extremely weak. I understand that they are off the air more than they are on. The new digital transmitter for WMBC has been approved for siting in Little Falls, very far away from the city of license..Newton. It will enable the owner to target his primary interest...New York City.

Best of luck with your Web site and thanks for your continuing efforts to improve the state and the public's perception of it.

Sincerely,

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It is quite obvious if you travel around the state that south Jersey associates more with Philly and north Jersey associates itself with NY. Now why is that? Well because that's where they get their news from. Thats where all the broadcasts comes from. Do you think Philadelphia is having about the great Newark Museum, which by the way is one of the best in the country? Do you think that NY news is having about the reopened Adventure Aquarium or the USS New Jersey in Camden? Hell no! Now think if we had ABC, CBS, NBC and our own news stations located in OUR capital - Trenton. What a different attitude people would have within NJ when they actually got news about what OUR politicians are doing, or what is going on in OUR cities, versus what is happening in the two states on either side of us. We have no identity. Try to think of something that defines NJ and it's hard to do. The outside media has defined who we are, both within our own borders and without.

I generally watch NY's channel 7 Eyewitness News (although I do watch NJN and News 12 New Jersey also). When the Encyclopedia of New Jersey was published they had about it on the news. You know what they said after the news cast? "I didn't know NJ had enough in it to fit in book" or some similar snide comment. That is what is defining us.

Look at movies, look at who produces these movies. They're hollywood people who don't care about accuracy - all they want to do is play on the extreme stereotypes. So they make things like Jersey Girl (the original) which has that exagerated, what some think is a NJ, accent - when it's actually more of a brooklyn accent. Even though I like Garden State - I don't think it portrayed NJ well at all. Most of the characters were freaks. Look at Sopranos, that defines us. What is funny is that people will associate NJ with the Sapranos and big hair and the ridiculous accents, but when movies such as "A Beautiful Mind" come out about a Nobel prize winner (which New Jersey has many), that doesn't matter. It doesn't dispel any of the negative media we get.

Basically what this boils down to is we need to take control of how we are defined and how New Jerseyans feel about ourselves. When we hold our politicians accountable, such as with this ridiculous Giants stadium deal where the giants still retain that assinine NY on their uniforms, then we will begin to get respect and the attention we deserve. Right now - even though the Giants are a NJ team and have no association with NY at all (except for their ridiculous logo) - when they win the Super Bowl - NY gets the glory - not NJ. Even though both Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty are in NJ waters - NJ politicians don't get invited to any opening events there. I was at the re-opening ceremonies of the Statue of Liberty, there was NOT ONE New Jersey representative invited.

It is time for New Jerseyans to stop sitting back and to finally take control. It is time to educate the ignorant on what NJ has and this website is a big part of that process.

To put it bluntly - I am on a crusade.

Nurvingiel
10-06-2005, 01:27 AM
It would be cool if you guys had your own news station, or at least your own broadcast. There are different news broadcasts on a popular British Columbian channel that are more specific for Vancouver, the Southern Interior, and the North East. (Poor South East and North West get left out IIRC.)

I think there should be more positive things in the news in general, such as excellent Newark museums.

I agree that ignorance is a factor. If all someone knows about NJ is from "Will and Grace", (set in New York city, but they occasionally have poorly delivered jokes about NJ) then... :cry:

I think another reason is other states like to make fun of cool states like New Jersey to make themselves feel cooler. :D But, I did think the "What exit?" comment was funny. *ducks tomatoes*
I don't mind inter-state/province/country teasing as long as it's not mean-spirited or clichéd. I think making fun of people's accents is in very bad taste. It's like making fun of someone's name. "Yeah, they've never heard that before. Jerks."

JerseyDevil
10-25-2005, 01:19 AM
Here is an article that was written in USA Today several years ago about NJ becoming the state with the highest median income after being years at number two behind connecticut. By the article - you would think that NJ was crap and it just got lucky. This is the type of stuff that pisses me off from people and is the reason I started this website.



by Craig Wilson

Who would have thunk it?

New Jersey, rich fodder for late-night comedians throughout the ages, is having the last laugh. It's the Number 1 state in median household income, the Census Bureau reported this week. Coming in second this time around was perennial winner Connecticut.

Now, I've been to New Jersey, and New Jersey, you're no Connecticut. Which might be your charm.

As a native New Yorker, albeit an upstate New Yorker, I was always taught to look down on New Jersey. It was what you did as a true New Yorker, and to be honest, it wasn't that hard. You only had to journey across the Hudson to immediately realise you were in a different state, not only geographically but mentally. One thing was for sure: it wasn't Fifth Avenue. Which also might be its charm.

As I grew older and my circle of friends grew wider, I began to realise that many of my best friends were from New Jersey. Liz Hood, a pal for 25 years, came from the Oranges. I can't remember which. East or West. Doesn't matter, although I think it might to those who live there. Liz has a great laugh and sings in a group with two other women, one also from New Jersey. Its repertoire includes an original song called My Garden State, which ends with the line "I want to live and die in dear old Jersey, along the blue Atlantic shore."

Say what you will about the state, its people are loyal. And any place that looks like a nuclear wasteland in spots and still has the chutzpah to put "Garden State" on its license plate has to be admired. Talk about spin.

What I like most about New Jersey is that it has a distinctive personality, unlike so much of America today, New Jersey isn't bland. There's always a politician being investigated, a good Italian restaurant nearby and, of course, there's the shore. No one goes to the beach. You go to the shore in New Jersey.

My partner, Jack, is a Jersey boy, born and raised in Trenton. Proud of it, too. "Trenton Makes/The World Takes." It says so right there on the bridge. He's so secure, he always admits not only to New Jersey, but Trenton, when people ask where he grew up. It's never nearby Lawrenceville. Never Princeton. Never even West Trenton. Just Trenton.

Kathy O'Brien, a columnist for The Star-Ledger in Newark, is another old friend and a longtime Jersey girl. She plays her cello in the local symphony, is raising her daughter on New Jersey air and has no plans to leave any time soon. Years ago, I went to her wedding and managed to hit a police car in Morristown that weekend. It's a long story, but with a happy ending.

I ended the night eating doughnuts with the cops, commiserating with the officer on duty about the two most misunderstood professions on earth - law enforcement and journalism. New Jersey won me over that evening.

Other than Princeton and Far Hills and Bernardsville, there's not much pretension in New Jersey. What you see is what you get. Oil tanks. A rest stop named after Vince Lombardi. The Sopranos. In short, real life. And 8.4 million people are happy to call it home.

Martha Stewart is from New Jersey. She moved to Connecticut. I'd say that pretty much says it all.

Source: USA Today Wednesday 8 August 2001; email Craig Wilson at cwilson@usatoday.com

It's like it's so difficult for people to actually realize and accept that NJ is a great place. It's obvious it was incredibly difficult for this journalist to say anything nice about NJ - so they had to counteract anything nice with some negative comment. I wonder - has this person even been south of the Hudson (and I don't mean on the Turnpike either).

Marianita
02-13-2006, 12:06 AM
I don't think it matters where a person is from , it matters what kind of people they are. To look down on someone because they are from a particular place is childish. I myself love New Jersey and would move there tomorrow if I did not have properties here to take care of. I also found New Yorkers to be charming. Ofcourse I like everyone no matter what state they are from. As for polititians, well these things are not limited to New Jersey. lol. It is amazing how many states one can cover in a day. It is just plain fun and I am making plans to go back soon. Marianita

Nurvingiel
02-20-2006, 02:47 AM
I think this article at Tomato Nation is relevant. Notes from the 310 (http://www.earlygirl.com/notes310.shtml). See, New Yorkers aren't always down on NJ. (New Jersey is mentioned at the end.) :)
(This article is actually about a trip to L.A. but NJ does get mentioned.)

Marianita
02-20-2006, 05:39 PM
I wonder if New Yorkers actually are down on NJ. I sure did meet a lot of them in NJ. It is interesting to note that NJ has beautiful homes and lots of greenery and fun places to go. As for Philly associating more with NJ then New York I think that is natural as Philly is very close. I used to sit on my sons patio and watch the planes coming in from the Philly airport. I liked to watch the geese go by too. New York is exciting but when I found myself back in NJ I felt great, right at home. People tend to have preconcieved notions but unless they have been there and seen for themselves, they cannot truly judge. There is no place on earth like it. Marianita

NJPRIDE
02-20-2006, 08:45 PM
Some people Ive talked to who say they dont like N.J. , and who have also said they would never go back admit they have never seen beyond Newark Airport .Seems to me they are just the kind of people who are ignorant and believe everything they read and hear no matter how false it my be . Like Bon Jovi said lets keep the greatness of N.J. a secret or else everyone will want to be here . One last note , in the summer the state tips towards the shore from all of the out of staters .My wife and I have seen license plates from Ohio , Virginia , Tenn. , Maryland of course N.Y. and Penn . in Cape May . The one Ohio plate we see frequently is personalized and says CAPE MAY . I guess the state is so bad they dont mind advertising for us :lmao: . NEW JERSEY HISTORY SECOND TO NONE !

Marianita
02-20-2006, 10:02 PM
Hi NjPride, It seems to me that if someone does visit there they are not going to forget it. I have memories of Cape May. There was a song written about Cape May.It is called,''I fell inlove on the way to Cape May.'' I think of my daughter-in-law and I shopping at Cherry Hill Mall. She would give me my choice of where we went for breakfast and ofcourse I would say the Cracker Barrel in Mount Laural of we would go one of the diners. But these shopping sprees were great fun. We always seemed to get caught in a big storm but that did not make us head for home. We just ducked inside a store or a diner and waited it out. My son, who likes to go to Chiles would take us there in the evening and on to Dunkin Donuts later. We walked the boardwalk in Wildwood. We had dinner at The Lobster House. I have never seen a state where there is so much to do. The Italian resturants are great. One day I saw a New Jersey license plate right here in Central Calif and I got homesick. I was thinking how fortunate they were to be headed that way.lol. Well, I will be before too long. I will probably take atleast 3 weeks of my vacation in May. Marianita

JerseyDevil
02-21-2006, 08:02 PM
I think this article at Tomato Nation is relevant. Notes from the 310 (http://www.earlygirl.com/notes310.shtml). See, New Yorkers aren't always down on NJ. (New Jersey is mentioned at the end.) :)
(This article is actually about a trip to L.A. but NJ does get mentioned.)
Actually the person who wrote that article is originally from NJ :) I've been to Tomato Nation before. I posted another article you might be interested in on the The New Jersey accent and other stereotypes (http://forum.aboutnewjersey.com/showthread.php?t=151) thread.

JerseyDevil
02-21-2006, 08:27 PM
I wonder if New Yorkers actually are down on NJ. I sure did meet a lot of them in NJ.

The thing is that even though a lot of times they come down, they bad mouth the state while here. I'm not saying they all do of course - but actually many do. My cousin and I were walking along the boards in Seaside and we were talking about this. He said he was tired of NYers coming down to Seaside and then overhearing them say "New Jersey's boring, New Jersey is ugly, etc etc". he said he wanted to go up to them and ask them - "well if you hate it so much - then why are you even here?"

On two seperate occasions I have talked to people who had never been to NJ before and were coming out, and I told them how NJ and NY basically hate each other. They both wrote it off as standard state rivalry. Well then we went into NY. The one place I took the person was "Jekyl and Hydes" (cool atmosphere - food VERY expensive, only takes cash and is equivalent to Hard Rock Cafe), anyway - they have a horror motif where audioanimatronics and some humans - have skits and tell jokes - most jokes revolved around NJ. My brother's friend who had never been to NY turned to me and said "man - you weren't kidding, you guys really DO hate each other".

Another time I had a friend from Texas come up and we were on the subway in NY. There were three or four people sitting across from us who were in baseball uniforms and were discussing the game they just played. They must have lost and one of them said how one of them should be sent over to NJ as punishment for the way they played. The person responded back that it was worse than jail and they would rather die first. My friend turned to me and said "Wow - I thought you were just exagerating about this."

There is this intense distain, hatred, rivalry, whatever term you want to use, between NJ and NY that goes throughout our history - from COLONIAL times even when NY would basically blocade our ports and prevent ships from coming to unload in NJ without first docking in NY to pay taxes. As I've always said - if NJ and NY weren't part of the same country through the US - we would be in constant war with each other. Instead NJ and NY our constantly at war in the Supreme court.


It is interesting to note that NJ has beautiful homes and lots of greenery and fun places to go. As for Philly associating more with NJ then New York I think that is natural as Philly is very close. I used to sit on my sons patio and watch the planes coming in from the Philly airport. I liked to watch the geese go by too. New York is exciting but when I found myself back in NJ I felt great, right at home. People tend to have preconcieved notions but unless they have been there and seen for themselves, they cannot truly judge. There is no place on earth like it. Marianita
Well it's only the southern half of the state that associates with Philadelphia - the other half associates with NY. I don't like the "South Jersey versus North Jersey" situation. I don't like when a person from southern New Jersey gets riduculed by a fellow southern New Jerseyan for wearing a NJ Devils hat. I would like to see the state pull together and people to realize we are one state. But again - this is part of our history. We were originally TWO different colonies - East and West Jersey which basically corresponds to what today is considered south and north. Even during the Revolution - we were referred to as "The Jerseys" by Washington and others.

Marianita
02-21-2006, 09:32 PM
Hi JD, It is interesting reading these posts as regards people being down on NJ. It was somewhat clarified when you said it may have stemmed from colonial times. In my opinion people are people no matter where they are from. I myself have some kind of accent and people do say,''You are not from here.'' Well, I always thought my accent was east coast where I was born and raised but I speak fluent Spanish too so that probably makes it more so. lol. I agree. If someone does not like our state they need not visit. simple as that. Now if someone wants to punish me by sending me to NJ as you said those guys were joking about, I will start packing. LOL. I cannot imagine someone saying they do not like our state and then going there. They can leave. I realize that NJ is known for it's tomatoes. Well, Central Calif is known for its agriculture. Every place is known for something. I think it is wrong for people to hate each other. The whole issue of NYers and Nj persons hating each other is quite ridiculous. Marianita

Nurvingiel
02-23-2006, 02:04 AM
Actually the person who wrote that article is originally from NJ :) I've been to Tomato Nation before. I posted another article you might be interested in on the The New Jersey accent and other stereotypes (http://forum.aboutnewjersey.com/showthread.php?t=151) thread.I read later in one of her articles that she was born in NJ, yeah. But still, she loves NYC and she lives and works there now, so NJ and NY can get along sometimes right? :D

Plus Sars has a tatoo of a tomato on her arm. That's awesome. Maybe you should get one too JD, if NJ is famous for tomatoes like Marianita said. Show some NJ pride. ;)

Maybe I'll check out that other thread now.

Marianita
02-23-2006, 05:39 PM
Hi Nurvengiel, I suppose we all have our own ways of showing New Jersey pride. As for the tomato I would gather a bunch to make salsa and show my pride that way. Ofcourse I show it in many other ways. At work everyone knows something about New Jersey. They are learning more. I realized that when one of the girls said she wanted the Jersey shore look. I had worn a blouse I bought at a boutique in Marlton and it is designed to give the Jersey shore look. Ofcourse none of them have ever been to New Jersey so we got a kick out of that. From reading the posts it sounds like NYers have had a feud throughout the ages with New Jersey but I do not really understand the reason for that. By the way Nurvengiel, what are the temps like in New Jersey in May? I have never been there in May. Let me know. Marianita

Nurvingiel
02-23-2006, 09:54 PM
There's a Jersey Shore look? Awesome. I also like how you go down to the shore, not just to the shore. :D

MITHRANDIR
02-24-2006, 02:03 PM
By the way Nurvengiel, what are the temps like in New Jersey in May? I have never been there in May. Let me know. Marianita

The best thing to do before traveling to NJ is to look at the weather reports for the 5-10 day forecast to get an idea of the weather you will see.

That said:

The temperatures depends on where in the state you visit and when during May.

In general, the average temperatures for the Newark, NJ area is in the Mid-60s for May. (58-76°)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Newark-New-Jersey.html

In general, the average temperatures for the Atlantic City, NJ area is in the Mid-60s for May. (60-70°)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Atlantic-City-New-Jersey.html

In general, the average temperatures for the Trenton, NJ area is in the Mid-60s for May. (55°-78°)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Trenton-New-Jersey.html

It is also possible for the temperatures to vary from low 40s to mid 80's, but this tends to be the extreme.

The ocean can do much to influence the temperatures along the coast.
The ocean temperature are usually in the 50's during May.

Choose a city from this website if you need a town closer to where you are visiting.
http://www.city-data.com/city/New-Jersey.html

Marianita
02-24-2006, 05:23 PM
Hi Nuvingiel, Yes there is, apparently is a Jersey shore look according to the lady who sold me the blouse. The blouse can be tied in front three ways. It depends on the occasion. lol. I paid a good price for that Jersey shore look. LOL. Thankyou for the weather report for May. It sounds pretty much like the weather here, at the moment. I am going to Marlton with my son but ofcourse we are going everywhere else you can think of too. Atlantic City is on my list . I want to see if they can make my car payment again like they did last year. lol. Cape May is a must. I can hardly wait. Take care. Marianita

Jersey Warren
05-05-2006, 03:08 PM
The USA Today article is a perfect example of the old expression: "To damn with faint praise." The person appears to be praising someone (or something) but does it so weakly that it raises more questions than it answers.


Here is an article that was written in USA Today several years ago about NJ becoming the state with the highest median income after being years at number two behind connecticut. By the article - you would think that NJ was crap and it just got lucky. This is the type of stuff that pisses me off from people and is the reason I started this website.


It's like it's so difficult for people to actually realize and accept that NJ is a great place. It's obvious it was incredibly difficult for this journalist to say anything nice about NJ - so they had to counteract anything nice with some negative comment. I wonder - has this person even been south of the Hudson (and I don't mean on the Turnpike either).

Marianita
05-06-2006, 12:32 AM
I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone being down on New Jersey but there you have it. Rivalry between states. I say if someone finds it boring or does not like it they can stay away. New Jersey has a lot going for it. I have traveled enough to realize that. I save all year to go there again. As for tatooing a tomato on your arm I would draw the line at that if it is to show pride. lol. There is also alot of other wonderful fruits there as well. The tomato stands out because I have never seen one so red and plump. I show more pride for New Jersey then I do California except that I especially like this part of Calif. Is there really that many people down on New Jersey?:eek: I wonder why. Marianita

Pookiebluez
05-30-2006, 11:02 PM
Hi, I'm new here, and this is what I feel. I think people are just jealous of the Garden State that's all. When people look down on NJ, I think it is just an expression of their own state.

JerseyDevil
05-31-2006, 11:46 AM
Hi, I'm new here, and this is what I feel. I think people are just jealous of the Garden State that's all. When people look down on NJ, I think it is just an expression of their own state.
Welcome Pookiebluez, nice to see a fresh face again. I do think that part of it is jealousy. but also think the main thing, is that most people don't even know what New Jersey is really like. What upsets me even more is when New Jerseyans, who don't bother doing anything, complain that their is nothing to do in New Jersey. I went to the beach yesterday, to Seaside with my cousin. He goes really no where except to nightclubs, he was saying how seaside is dirty and the typical stereotype stuff. He and some friends plan on going to Myrtle Beach this summer. The water yesterday was a beautiful aqua green color, and yet he says that it's dirty and while New Jersey has the toughest water standards in the country. But that doesn't really matter because the opinion is that it's true, so facts don't matter. Then after his complaining that the beaches are dirty, him and his friend end up leaving their water bottle there, instead of taking it to the trash can which waas 20 feet away. When I packed up, I picked up the water bottles and threw them away.

I say that outsiders are simply ignorant of New Jersey, while New Jerseyans who don't know what NJ has are just plain lazy.

Marianita
06-02-2006, 12:59 AM
Hi pookiebluez, I could not agree with you more. And I can just about prove it. Everyone is envious of me for being able to go to New Jersey every year. Now they may have never been there but wish they could go. I myself cannot find anything nagative about the garden state and hope to live there one day. By the way, at this time tomorrow evening I will be there in Marlton where my son lives. When I step on New Jersey soil I know I am home even though I live in Central Calif. I love it here too but I am quite obsessed with New Jersey since the first time I went there. So those are my feelings on the matter and I cannot tell you how excited I am to be going. marianita:) :wave:

JerseyDevil
09-16-2006, 03:43 PM
Today I got a book out of the Ocean County Library - "Colonial New Jersey: A History" In the preface several interesting comments are made in the first couple of paragraphs concerning NJ and its perception. To put it bluntly - NJ is both blessed and cursed by its location and it's cursed by its history. The problems we experience today with our lack of identity, the nation's distain for our great state, extends all the way to colonial times when New York would blockade our ports and force ships to pay taxes to them and when the governor of New York, Edmund Andros didn't like that the NJ governor was not doing New York's bidding, so he had him kidnapped and stand trial in NY (charges were dismissed by the court).

Today, New Jersey is looked upon as just a "suburb of New York", even though we have the third oldest city in the country - Newark. So why is this? Where has New Jersey lost it's identity? One reason is that a lot of this is caused by the many New Yorkers who move to New Jersey, but never embrace their new state. They come here to pay less rent, but continue to spend their leisure time in NY, without ever exploring the many things that NJ has. These people seem to generally think of NJ as a 6th borough. What also encourages this perception is that our politicians don't demand that NJ get accurately recognized, whether it's with our sports teams carrying NY on their uniforms or with the lack of representation in broadcast media (NJ has only ONE commercial tv network, NBC in Atlantic City).

I seriously am starting to have my doubts that NJ will ever get the recognition it deserves. Too many New Jerseyans and especially the NJ politicians seem to not care. NJ has been invaded by New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians who just don't really care about their new home state. While other states have a huge sense of pride, our rest stops mainly advertise attractions outside the state, not to mention sell primarily New York merchandise. Until New Jerseyans demand the respect of the rest of the nation and demand our politicians to stand up to NY, the sports teams, the businesses that manage the rest stops, until they demand a sense of pride themselves, and work to make our cities self sustaining and vibrant, we will always be looked upon as just "the suburbs of NY and Philadelphia".

In 1973 - John Pomfret wrote the following preface to his book...



Two centuries ago the Reverend Andrew Burnaby described New Jersy as "the garden of North America" and added that it had "some trifling manufactures" but could not succeed in commerce. Still titled "The Garden State," New Jersey's official seal exhibitis the goddess Ceres together with three plows, symbol of her time-honored preoccupation with hubsbandry. Today small New Jersey, the most densely populated state, is a leader in manufacturing. Though her economy is augmented by substantial agricultural and seafood production, only 10 percent of her population is rural.

The New Jersey "natives" called "Jerseymen" by themselves and "Jerseyites" by scoffing neighbors, are a rapidly disappearing segment. Residing in ancient villages, north and south, these folk constituted for decades the balance wheel of the body politic, the inheritors of the strong moral codes of Quakers and Presbyterian and of John Witherspoon's "philosophy of common sense." Modern New Jersey has been overwhelmed by industrial armies and by "amphibians" from New York City and Philadelphia. Known facetiously as "the bedroom of New York City and Philadelphia" and dismissed by the late critic Edmund Wilson as "the slave of two cities," such observations are far from original. In 1846 Bishop George Washington Doane, himself a Jerseyman, lamented, "We have been too willing to become but little more than appendage to two chief cities that lie upon us, to the right and the left."

More to the point the bishop asserted further, "We have well nigh forgotten that we have a history. We have almost lost sense of identity." ....


The thing is - many of the issues we are facing today with our lack of identity, we were facing over 150 years ago. Is there really anyway to reverse this? Yes, there are things going on that show promise, the NJ Hall of Fame, Crossroads of the American Revolution, Celebrate NJ, and even this website - which has played a huge role in the mentioned endeavors. But will it actually get New Jerseyans excited? Today New Jerseyans are fighting among ourselves even through the "north/south" divide. Instead of all of us being New Jerseyans - we are now labeled as either North Jerseyans or South Jerseyans, our state is no longer referred to as "New Jersey", but instead has now been divided and more often than not referred to as "North Jersey" or "South Jersey" I really do sometimes question whether we can ever gain a feeling of pride in New Jersey (not because we shouldn't or don't derserve it, but because so much works against us) and I also feel that I am many times trying to swim not only against a current, but up a waterfall. I will continue the fight however, but sometimes it feels like a very lonely road.

NJPRIDE
09-17-2006, 09:38 PM
JD, I do agree with some of you post but one thing you did not mention about the rest stops on the Turnpike is how they are named after famous New Jerseyans or people with strong ties to our great state. As far as the merchandise goes I stopped at the Molly Pitcher rest stop not to long ago and was pleased to see N.J. hats, shirts etc. being sold, but like you said I too was also bothered by the N.Y. garbage. I E-mailed Corzine about this and recieved an e-mail back the next day saying N.Y. garbage is sold because the company that leases the rest stop makes the decission on what to sell. Next time I stop there I will be buying A N.J. hat and shirt for myself and something for my newborn son.:D

JerseyDevil
09-17-2006, 10:07 PM
JD, I do agree with some of you post but one thing you did not mention about the rest stops on the Turnpike is how they are named after famous New Jerseyans or people with strong ties to our great state.

Yes, the rest stops are named after famous New Jerseyans - which in my opinion they should be set up as mini-museums with information and memoriabilia on that particular person. I think at most they have a small plak on the outside of the building, but that is it. New Jersey seems to do things only half way.


As far as the merchandise goes I stopped at the Molly Pitcher rest stop not to long ago and was pleased to see N.J. hats, shirts etc. being sold, but like you said I too was also bothered by the N.Y. garbage. I E-mailed Corzine about this and recieved an e-mail back the next day saying N.Y. garbage is sold because the company that leases the rest stop makes the decission on what to sell. Next time I stop there I will be buying A N.J. hat and shirt for myself and something for my newborn son.:D
Yes, they have started carrying more New JERSEY items and yes the company that manages the rest stops does determine what is sold there. New Jersey relinquishes all control over to everyone when it comes to what happens in this state. That is why Liberty State Park sells only NY items, why the Giants, Jets and now the Red Bulls carry the NY name and why our rest stops carry New York merchandise (further instilling in people's minds that we are a part of NY) and if you look in the brochure racks - you will be hard pressed to find many New Jersey attractions.

BTW - If you want good New Jersey shirts and souvenirs - I would seriously take a trip to Newark Liberty International Airport and go to the Jersey Store. Dave manages it and you can meet him there, plus they have a lot better items then the rest stops do. The last time I was at the rest stops, which was in April, their items had a lot to be desired.

NJPRIDE
09-17-2006, 10:18 PM
JD , thanks for the thought on the Jersey store at Newark . It sounds like a good idea to stop there.:D Two other events we should keep in mind as far as celebrating N.J. is the New Jersey state history fair and a new one this year the N.J. culture festival . I myself do believe things are getting better here!:D

JerseyDevil
09-17-2006, 10:24 PM
JD , thanks for the thought on the Jersey store at Newark . It sounds like a good idea to stop there.:D
Here is the thread that Dave started when he first joined the AboutNewJersey.com Messageboard - Jersey Store (http://forum.aboutnewjersey.com/showthread.php?t=104) They have a ton of things and he recently posted that he finally convinced the company that runs the store to allw him to carry Rutgers items. Score 1 for NJ. :)

[edit] after looking at the Jersey Store thread, I see that you had already posted it in several times.

Marianita
09-18-2006, 04:32 AM
Hi Jersey Devil, I feel that because New Jersey is tucked between New York and Pennsylvania , it gets overlooked for all it's positive qualities. As you know those east coast states are small, most of them and it is easy and fast to get from one state to another. So New Jersey is like a hidden treasure. Also it is as you have said a lack of pride in one's state. Ofcourse the New Yorkers are going to come in and take advantage of all that New Jersey has to offer. New Jersey has plenty going for it and people know it. It could be that people just take for granted their state and it's beauty. I think that it is more appreciated by many then one would think.
Just the other day my son was telling me how happy he and my daughter-in-law have been there the last 3 yrs. They are truly content and he is someone who was born and raised in Southern Calif.
In 2 days, more or less, there will be a new citizen in New Jersey. A baby boy is due and will be born in Mt Holly. They have a little girl 6 yrs old and are quite overjoyed that a little boy is coming.I have my cell phone beside me day and night waiting for the call.
There will always be those who appreciate their state and those who don't. I do for sure. New Jersey is my second home. Marianita:)

NJPRIDE
09-18-2006, 11:28 AM
Marianita , Speaking of newborns, my wife and I just had our first child , A son born Sept.13 2006 at 3:24 pm at Morristown hospital 7pounds 4 ounces 19.5 inches long. :D My son will grow up to appreciate N.J. and everything our great state has to offer! Congratulations to you, your son and your daughter in law on the new liittle person coming soon.

Marianita
09-18-2006, 11:58 PM
Hi Jersey Pride, How very wonderful about your new baby boy. I can tell you are the happiest man on earth about now. The little guy is a really nice weight and length and will probably be a big man some day. May God bless you and your wife with that baby boy. So he was born in Morristown. He sure will grow up to appreciate his state. That's for sure. He is a genuine New Jersian. lol. I talked to my son this morning and my daughter-in-law had a doctor appt and is fine but a bit uncomfortable. The baby is due anytime now. Just think Jersey Pride. If my son's baby arrives on Wed which is the actual due date, your baby and his will be only 7 days apart. I know that he is going to be born in MtHolly but forgot the name of the hospital. So that is 2 New Jersey people. lol. I am so happy for you and for my son and his wife and ofcourse for me. lol. That will make 11 grandchildren for me. And I thought they were through. Marianita:)










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Marianita
09-22-2006, 11:28 PM
Hi Jersey Pride. How is your little boy doing? I know you are enjoying being a father. Well, guess what. Today at 1;30 EST my little grandson was born in MtHolly. He weighs 7 lbs and 2 oz and ''Jersey Rich'' did not know how long he is. lol. But I got the call while at work and it is all too wonderful. My daughter-in-law is doing well and my son sounds so happy. He said the baby has just a little bit of hair and is healthy looking indeed, so very cute. I was on pins and needles waiting for the phone call. He called me at 10;45, our time and said the baby was born at 1;30. The first thing he said was,''Guess what Mom. You have a new grandson.'' When I told my co-workers the baby was born at 1;30 they thought he had been born last night. lol. I explained that he is a New Jersey baby and the time difference. I think it is wonderful that he was born in New Jersey and he too will take pride in his state. Awesome, don't you think? Marianita:)